Ships & Modules

PL are literally ev0ke.
We must secure the existence of our titans and a future for elite pvp.

thats what i wanted to see and all i saw when you posted

Sweet cream of Jesus on cold toast-points, this is the most moronic ongoing line of cold gopher crap I've seen smeared across this thread, and that's saying something.

So you lost a crutch. Adapt and deal with it. Maybe dropping your "Too Cool for School" attitude and mending some fences might be a good start.

Also, did it occur to any of you soon-to-be-ex titan blobbers that maybe the reason you've been seeing these large subcap fleets is because titans are hilariously broken? No. It doesn't. Such entrenched cognitive dissonance cannot be overcome because to do so would require an admission from the Forces of Elite PvP that they've been using crutches in the first place.

And now you've been leaning on them for so long that some effort to restore balance was finally made. You've got no one to blame but yourselves.

Keep crying, I guess. You're more desperately in need of a dose of Preparation H than anyone else in this thread.


I understand where your misperceptions come from. We take lots of new Goon players, but we don't really open recruit. There are ways around that, though, for a small deposit. PM me for details.

you're p. bad at math, bro

Because you are ******** and don't know what a doomsday is.

It only takes 2 tank mods to stand up to a DD, but please, go on calling other people names when you don't understand the game mechanics

Good to know that PL only fits 1 titan with a DD per fleet.

The difference is that a day one newbie can be in a nicely fit drake in 2-3 months. Less than 6 months for a pro maelstrom. The scimitars and huggins and whatnot take longer, but bulk of the fleet can relative newbies. Any 0.0 alliance that wanted to could "lower their standards" to recruit newbies, and train them up into a competent subcap fleet in just a few months.

I'm Goonswarm's Director of Rifters, so this is a subject close to my heart. We get our newbees out into 0.0 as soon as they finish the tutorial. We give them as many frigates and thrashers as they can blow up. I've seen a guy go through 11 rifters in one battle and just keep going back for more. :3 We set up a wiki, a squad system, classes, and various mentorship programs so that newbees can learn the way that is best for them, be it from reading, asking questions, or having a more experienced player hold their hands. It doesn't take long at all to make them moderately competent PVPers. Their skill point totals may be low, but none of those SP have been wasted on mining or mission running skills. And honestly they are delightful to be around. They don't know how things work, but they are excited to learn and excited about internet spaceships. It makes a nice change from the bittervets.


Plenty of elite PVP corps are smug about not even considering you until 10 million skill points, 20 million skill points, or more. Dooming many would-be PVPers to a year of highsec mining before they get to try the fun stuff. Then by the time they do get out of highsec they have developed all sorts of bad habits that will get them killed in expensive ships in nulsec. Surely getting more newbies that want the massive space battles they see in the advertisements involved in pew pew earlier would be good for the game? Most highsec mission runners that have been playing the game for 3 months can already fly a drake, and are getting pretty bored of PvE. There is nothing stopping alliances like PL and Raiden. from simply recruiting the low-skill backbone of a subcap fleet tomorrow.

Mabye because I've been watching Goons use the "More must be better" approach for 5 years now.


If you removed all supercaps from the game would the CFC suddenly dissipate into the ether?


No, no it wouldn't, you've banded together because you lack the means to stand alone, and that horde mentality was threatened by something, so you've reacted to it by crying until that stop was removed from the game.

Now you're free in April to rule the universe (unless our Smear Soundwave campaign works).

Against your anti-blue, anti-blobbing coalition? Not so much.

edit: now it's my turn to kick myself for missing the snipe.