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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#621 - 2012-03-13 20:11:20 UTC
Lord Aliventi wrote:
These are terrible changes. Nerfs almost never fix anythings. A


Except when they do (all the time)

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#622 - 2012-03-13 20:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Lelob wrote:
Throwing a bunch of subcaps at titans and expecting to win is not even close to being a serious attempt. Fielding a fleet of 200 dreads with carrier and super support would be a serious attempt, and is well within the capabilities of the CFC. I understand well enough why CCP thinks titans must be nerfed, but it is not because of any game-breaking aspects of the titan itself, but of the unwillingness of both actors to engage in a potentially costly capital fight when the results remain uncertain. As I said before, nobody will really know for certain if titans truly are imbalanced until a serious, concerted effort has been made to kill them.


feel free to source 200 dreads off the market meight

also did you not see the shiptype that was killed by titans? it was an interdictor. what other methods are available for tackling titans? neuting, bumping battleships? lmao

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#623 - 2012-03-13 20:11:49 UTC
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#624 - 2012-03-13 20:12:07 UTC
lelob which eo guy are you i can't remember

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Sapegu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#625 - 2012-03-13 20:12:39 UTC
So,

How can a small alliance overpower a bigger alliance?
If Biggest guns are nerfed...
1000 men Alliance cannot overpower 7000 men alliance... never!!

This game is not evoluting but being nerfed for goons pleasures...

Goons... you have the path clear to conquer EVE SOV...

CCP... WAKE UP!!!
BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#626 - 2012-03-13 20:12:41 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
its hilarious raiden. got ordered to ***** on neutral alts in this thread because we were having too much fun laughing at their pain


I am no neutral alt, and I still think this is the most dirrect help CCP have given any one alliance in a conflict in eve's history. Not one but 2 nurfs to help you against titans and supercarrier in this war.

If you are going to fix something CCP. Then fix it make it great and awesome in its own right, not a shell of a ship.
Kazanir
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#627 - 2012-03-13 20:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kazanir
Grath Telkin wrote:
Why should I be mad that an alliance is getting developer help?


Get real there buddy. This kind of a change wouldn't be happening to EVE if it didn't have a large majority of both the dev team and the CSM on board with it.

However, I know that this is just your attack line du jour for this month and that you don't actually believe your own bullshit, so I'm asking myself why I bother responding seriously. After all, if I thought that 75% of the game's design team were part of a conspiracy to favor an alliance I hated, I'd probably quit -- but I bet you aren't doing that, are you?

Anyway, it is too bad that you and others have been riding the monster truck so long and now you have to look for other options. But for the other 345,000 players of EVE, Seleene-powered supercaps will be one of many things about Dominion that we won't miss. And if you do decide to quit the game because you no longer have a god-ship to train for...well, we probably won't miss you either, and we'll still enjoy our space battles for quite a long time, I think.

Edit:

BioZvin wrote:
If you are going to fix something CCP. Then fix it make it great and awesome in its own right, not a shell of a ship.


I think you would be surprised how many people on the "anti-supercap" side, including in Goonswarm, actually agree with this. Lots of "us" would love to see supercarriers and titans have well-defined and useful roles on the battlefield. It just can't be a role where the number of supercapitals you have ends up defining who wins the war every single time -- and so far, that has been the case ever since Dominion launched.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#628 - 2012-03-13 20:13:05 UTC
Lord Aliventi wrote:
Well played. And well played Mittens.


Don't forget to vote for him.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#629 - 2012-03-13 20:13:20 UTC
Lord Aliventi wrote:
These are terrible changes. Nerfs almost never fix anythings.
Sure they do, especially compared to the alternatives.

You can either do nothing, thus not solving anything, or buffing everything, causing power-creep and even more balance issues, or you can nerf the one thing that's causing the problem. Of the three, the nerf is almost always the right thing to do.
Death2all Supercaps
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#630 - 2012-03-13 20:13:42 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
lelob which eo guy are you i can't remember



does it matter?
All QQ look alike
Lelob
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#631 - 2012-03-13 20:14:34 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
lelob which eo guy are you i can't remember


Posting with my main~
Kerensky White
K-EDEN
Winger Aerospace
#632 - 2012-03-13 20:14:54 UTC
I do like the unable to refit with aggression thing. It should really be a thing.

Also, someone give me their 'useless' Ragnarok pilot and the ship too, ok thanks~
Don't worry, I promise it'll die.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#633 - 2012-03-13 20:15:04 UTC
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#634 - 2012-03-13 20:17:08 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#635 - 2012-03-13 20:17:21 UTC
CynoNet Two wrote:
Lelob wrote:

Titans being purely anti-cap weapons seems somewhat useless outside of ganks, given the incredible rarity of capital fights in EVE right now. Especially when the side fielding caps and titans has traditionally been facing a blob of subcaps and not caps. At its core it not only shows CCP's ignorance of the metagame right now, but also of the fact that no serious attempts have been made to actively kill titans outside of ganks. Saying titans are imbalanced and need a nerf simply does not make sense, given the context in which the argument is being made.


Attempts to kill titans are made everyday. They usually conclude in a fashion similar to this, or this.

I find it astonishing that you none of you realise that behaviour like this is what got your toys nerfed.


Please don't try to point out their cognitive dissonance to them, they are unable to comprehend it. Its cruel of you to do this.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#636 - 2012-03-13 20:18:04 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number.


We can now that our support fleets aren't just going to be free killmails.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#637 - 2012-03-13 20:19:26 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number.


Dominion's fighterbombers and capital popping doomsdays ensured that carriers are relegated into suicide triage platforms and dreads are, uh, docked.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#638 - 2012-03-13 20:20:35 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


Wait, will these be the titans that need 30 billion in sensor boosters to lock a cap before it can de agro and dock?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#639 - 2012-03-13 20:20:48 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


If only people actually deployed caps in any meaningful number.


We can now that our support fleets aren't just going to be free killmails.


You don't have support fleets you have fleets, nothing to support cause then our Titans wouldn't be shooting at the support. Would be killing other caps.....
Skrypt
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#640 - 2012-03-13 20:21:00 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.

Unless this titan nerf has the unintended side effect of increasing capital usage, there isn't going to be very much blappage as dread fleets are pretty rare these days.

But keep sperging at your keyboard about it, because if you say it enough it'll be true.