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Arkon Hjallian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#321 - 2012-03-13 16:55:38 UTC
Damn, I need a bigger jar, this one is already full of delicious titan pilot tears.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#322 - 2012-03-13 16:58:25 UTC
Nomad I wrote:
It's a great patch, because Titans became a role to destroy capitals not subcaps. A Titan pilot now needs a better support fleet.


Nope, since a Titan does not need any support inside pos shields.
Lord Fargo
Thirsty Beaver
#323 - 2012-03-13 16:59:09 UTC
Another cultural victory :smug:
Venus Vermillion
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#324 - 2012-03-13 16:59:42 UTC
ABLOOBLOOBLOO!1!!111!

I spent thousands of real dollars to buy a titan and a character to fly it and I can't win the game! THIS IS NOT FAIR!

EVE SHOULD NOT BE A NUMBERS GAME!111!!!

(Dollars aren't numbers)
Carmen de Mairena
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#325 - 2012-03-13 16:59:55 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Titan pilots make up .2% of the player population, if we assume 350k players and ~730 titans according to Diagoras' tweets.


According to the last CSM results you were elected CSM Chairman thanks to the votes of 5,365 people, which is 1.53% of the EVE population.

Such an overwhelming majority should indeed allow you to mold the game into whatever you want.

The CSM should be a tool to improve the game for all of us. At the moment it's just a political aberration used by a selected few (who have been appointed to the positions they hold by less than 10% of the subscribers) against their traditional enemies. Anyone with a minimal perception would notice that, although it's not like you're hiding it at all. If it was a fair and reliable system, only because of that public chest beating you should never be allowed to run again for such a determinant position.

All the big recent changes have targeted the same entities. Things like the Technetium rebalancing are being set aside as now the only ones that could have changed that (the corrupt CSM) hold dozens and dozens of those moons and, after this last Titan rebalancing, they are certain they can achieve Technetium monopoly.

The real question would be: why are the developers so biased? There's only two options. Either they are extremely easily manipulable and therefore they will do whatever somoene they like tells them to do even if his intentions are absolutely evident, which is bad, or they are just being fooled by this person or group of persons, which is worse. Truth is CSM doesn't represent any relevant majority in the game, yet they get to change its core whenever they see fit to benefit the same coalition always.

It's quite disgusting and even more difficult to fix. Good luck CCP.
Ezekiel Sulastin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#326 - 2012-03-13 17:01:17 UTC
Arkon Hjallian wrote:
Damn, I need a bigger jar, this one is already full of delicious titan pilot tears.


I think I've seen a much larger quantity of Goon :smug: than tears in my quick perusal of the thread.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#327 - 2012-03-13 17:03:00 UTC
Nao Oikawasan wrote:
Hate to say I told you so, but I did.

Raiden. NC. and PL blobbed the hell out of Branch with their titans, still managed to lose all of the tech, and proved nothing but that the Goons were right all along.

If the titans had been used for actual combat, instead of simply stopping fights because you were losing the battle, the problems with titan tracking would not have been so obvious that CCP had to act immediately.

Titans are supposed to be for cap suppression, not PVP suppression.

Now maybe PL will have to field actual fleets and make some effort to support the alliances that they demand tech moons from, rather than simply freeload off of fail alliances that need them to bring their titans.


What is cap supression? Cap supression is useless in eve. Caps are only good for structure grinding and you don't need supercaps in order to stop them from doing that because they are completely helpless against subcaps. In fact a bunch of dreads is more threat to a titan than it is to a drake.
Temmu Guerra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#328 - 2012-03-13 17:05:51 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Ra Death wrote:
I'm almost at a loss of words here. Almost, therefore I am going to speak my mind.

So now capitals are basically structure grinding machines and you only deploy them if you have something to grind down or if someone else is grinding stuff down and you catch someone else grinding down something. This is not a solution, this is a plaster for a symptom. There is now ZERO reason to deploy supercapitals except to grind down a structure. Do you really want structure grinding to become the motivator for people to build and create supercapitals in EVE? I mean, I don't believe you have thought at all about the consequences of these changes.

EVE is now effectively sectioned off into two tier combat systems. Capital combat and sub-capital combat. The difference is, capitals cannot touch sub-capitals, but sub-capitals can, in the numbers that are brought at the moment, almost 1-3 volley capitals. The titans were a workaround for that because numbers were no longer the only deciding factor, your playing time, your assets and your skillpoints actually played a role. Now we are going back to a time again where the only effective tool, a VERY limited tool might I add, against blobbing is a damn stealth bomber. No more force projection by taking advantage of the many years you have spent in the game and the money you have pooled into a titan, you are better off selling off said titan and joining the nearest Maelstrom fleet.

What am I meant to aspire for in EVE in terms of combat? What is my incentive for actually training all these skills. To fly the next flavour of the month subcapital ship?

EVE is now a numbers game when there is a large effort to remove counters for large fleets. If this is the direction we're going, we're going to see a bipolar political landscape because being a small alliance, you can now only exist if you are a part of the inevitable two powerblocks that will come to dominate EVE. If you can't match the numbers, too bad... join or die.

Let's get a rethink of the roles of supercapitals and not a temporary plaster that will reduce supercapitals to nothing but ihub and station grinders.

THIS! THIS! THIS!

Could Greyscale comment this post please?



Quoting again for CCP to see this. Btw does anyone notice that about 95% of the people cheering on this nerf are part of CFC?
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#329 - 2012-03-13 17:06:06 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Ok. You've performed an amputation and bandaged one class of problem ships. Would be nice if you had been more surgical about it. And your field remedy as you admit will cause some more damage necessitating later surgery.

However, the Drake, Tengu, and heavy missile and large arty alpha problems are still there in game.

Why the relatively impulsive hack saw for titans and still no fix the later? Where, particularly for the Drake, the problem has festered so long past the original injury it no longer just smells bad but now is toxic to the entire body. Please saw away at the Drake. Come on CCP you know you want to see the veritable ocean of tears. I do Twisted

Shocked

Complaining about drakes is so 2010. There are plenty of viable counters to every subcap doctrine, even tengu fleets, and its dishonest to pretend otherwise.

This Titan rebalance is long overdue and will make sov null a better place.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#330 - 2012-03-13 17:06:39 UTC
Carmen de Mairena wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
Titan pilots make up .2% of the player population, if we assume 350k players and ~730 titans according to Diagoras' tweets.


According to the last CSM results you were elected CSM Chairman thanks to the votes of 5,365 people, which is 1.53% of the EVE population.

Such an overwhelming majority should indeed allow you to mold the game into whatever you want.

The CSM should be a tool to improve the game for all of us. At the moment it's just a political aberration used by a selected few (who have been appointed to the positions they hold by less than 10% of the subscribers) against their traditional enemies. Anyone with a minimal perception would notice that, although it's not like you're hiding it at all. If it was a fair and reliable system, only because of that public chest beating you should never be allowed to run again for such a determinant position.

All the big recent changes have targeted the same entities. Things like the Technetium rebalancing are being set aside as now the only ones that could have changed that (the corrupt CSM) hold dozens and dozens of those moons and, after this last Titan rebalancing, they are certain they can achieve Technetium monopoly.

The real question would be: why are the developers so biased? There's only two options. Either they are extremely easily manipulable and therefore they will do whatever somoene they like tells them to do even if his intentions are absolutely evident, which is bad, or they are just being fooled by this person or group of persons, which is worse. Truth is CSM doesn't represent any relevant majority in the game, yet they get to change its core whenever they see fit to benefit the same coalition always.

It's quite disgusting and even more difficult to fix. Good luck CCP.

Then vote.

Also, current CSM have all come out as being pro-technerf, so I imagine they can't force CCP to prioritize whatever they want. Imagine that.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Tolmar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#331 - 2012-03-13 17:07:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vissor wrote:
Are you re.....d? why should i even try to lock frigate or cruiser after all of these changes? if there like 1% chance to hit cruiser?
Because he's infinipointing your titan buddy 30km away, where the range alleviates the slow tracking and brings that hit chance up to several tens of percents…


That is just all sorts of fail... if you do not know why read up on titans before posting please....
Shodana
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#332 - 2012-03-13 17:08:58 UTC
Let me see............Titans are going to be nerfed..........so now we can't have 50 plus titans hot dropped into a fight.........so here comes the firesale on titans...........and Super Carriers basically the same thing...........hmmmmm. Guess now we gotta go hide because the next thing will be 400 plus CARRIERS being hot dropped into systems..........and then they will be nerfed too..........all this instead of FIXING something.............
FIX where Capitals of any sort require SUPPORT..........as in frigates, cruisers, battleships..........without support THEN Capitals receive a nerf due to not having the required SUPPORT..............This would go a long long way to fixing combat as it stands at the moment.
FHM
Doomheim
#333 - 2012-03-13 17:09:37 UTC
This is the most stupid change possible. I am against super capitals and their blobs but at the moment a super capital blob is only effective counter to the high alfa fleets that Goonswarm and Co have been pulling off. This changed has been pushed for by a ******** idiot that does not have the balls so commit his pathetic alliance to a fight with super capitals vs super capitals so he pushes for a Titan nerf.

This so called balance does nothing but favor Goonswarm and no one else. You have proposed no balance or nerf for the alfa fleet therefore this whole change is useless. In the end this will not solve any problems but create more.
eidenjunior
Perkone
Caldari State
#334 - 2012-03-13 17:09:38 UTC
why nerfe the Scan res so much ? can't you just start with redusing it to half(20 ish.)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#335 - 2012-03-13 17:10:34 UTC
Pheusia wrote:
Shocked

Complaining about drakes is so 2010. There are plenty of viable counters to every subcap doctrine, even tengu fleets, and its dishonest to pretend otherwise.

This Titan rebalance is long overdue and will make sov null a better place.

Isn't Malcanis the good posting face of Initdot? Why isn't he around?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
CorryBasler
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#336 - 2012-03-13 17:11:46 UTC
Finally, thanks CCP
Ting Mei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#337 - 2012-03-13 17:12:23 UTC
Wow !

Bot harassing/hunting/bannishing and now titan get first nerf ...

Some has been doomdayed :)

Nice Job CCP :)
Organa
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#338 - 2012-03-13 17:12:30 UTC
Does ccp not seem to realize that there are only currently 2 ways to counter a vastly numerically Superior force? 1 bombers which die in droves but have some chance but generally arnt that effective in killing 1000 dudes with 200. and the titan blob.

If this patch goes through it will basically make titans logistics platforms and only rarly will they be used to do anything else bc whats the point of using a 90b isk ship when you can use a 1b isk dread and do the same thing?

if your going to nerf them fine but do so in a manner which also addresses the reason they are used they allow a group of players that are willing to field 100x the isk of a massively numerical force and have a chance to win. dont half ass the nerf take the time to truly balance the game. instead of working on things like silly new launchers maybe take the time and actually balance the internet spaceships we all log into play.
Chaos Shadoww
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#339 - 2012-03-13 17:15:01 UTC
dunno why all goons are cheering you have just ensured nobody will fight you Roll
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#340 - 2012-03-13 17:15:23 UTC
You'll have to excuse all the NPC alts everyone, Raidendot gave a command to their troops to only post on alts instead of mains so 'goons wouldn't enjoy tears'.

(we can tell you're all from Raidendot, f y i)

~hi~