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Incoming titan adjustments

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Dr 0wnage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2461 - 2012-03-17 11:17:48 UTC
Sigras wrote:
Headerman wrote:
A counter to titan blobs:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765

works better than drakes.


LOL heres the other side of that story . . .

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12761765



Actually, this is how it should work...

killed (144.04B ISK) lost (75.38B ISK)

When you bring capitals to fight anti-capital ships, shouldn't they die?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2462 - 2012-03-17 11:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Headerman wrote:
A counter to titan blobs:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765

works better than drakes.


good god you're all retarded aren't you

one shitfit titan dying to dreads in lowsec (no DDs) is irrelevant

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2463 - 2012-03-17 12:00:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
Headerman wrote:
A counter to titan blobs:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765

works better than drakes.


good god you're all retarded aren't you

one shitfit titan dying to dreads in lowsec (no DDs) is irrelevant


Oh well, you just keep sending them drakes, i am sure they will kill something... one day Smile

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Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2464 - 2012-03-17 12:04:29 UTC
and it will probably the fc's pod in a thunderdome
Miner Leo
Core Mining United Industries
#2465 - 2012-03-17 12:07:44 UTC
Maybe the only solution in order to make it balanced / stable would be to completly change the role of a Titan imo change its Class even and introduce new Classes of Capital ships given them all more Specefic roles similar to T2 Frigs but without the Freedom in customizing. Also **If** Possible, Change Attributes or how Cap-sized modules work for Example: Have this makes you that much better but in turn, you lose a Turret / Missile Point.

If no added classes, then titans / capitals need Hard points so that the Smaller classes can destroy example: Bridge, which for instance would make you unavailable to change direction, jump or anything 'Electronical' etc etc and after said hard points destroyed. The Capital self-destructs. And with this in mind, Titan should have most hardpoints out of it imo. Remove DD weaponary completly and rather give 16 turret / missile slots cause that attracts sci-fi lovers. It's stupid and no logic behind how a ship nearly 2 miles long is more like a passive Truck with Heavy machine gun mounted.. Should more be like Bishmark/Yamoto/Iowa etc.

Another thing, Make restrictions to Alliances etc. So that a Alliance can maximum support a number of these Titans and Motherships to a low amount while Dreads/carriers nearly unlimited.

(Example, 1 titan - 2 mother ship per Corporation)..

Something quite similar would make the Super caps rare and Titans rare but still kicking ass when fielded. Instead of using it like the ultimate domino brick.


And CCP.. Could you do something about Capitals Velocity? like Every singel one of them.. It's mass and it drags someone down but would beilive when 1/3 of a ship is the propulsion system.. it would move faster... If every ship in eve moved 100% faster.. We would talk fun fast phased action and you could see Capitals move forward without viewing it and look at the thrusters.. :-/

Time to drink another one! cheers :D
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2466 - 2012-03-17 12:16:17 UTC
Miner Leo wrote:
Maybe the only solution in order to make it balanced / stable would be to completly change the role of a Titan

That seems to be the plan.

Hotfixing XL tracking isn't the end point for Titans, its merely to cut out one of the more glaring imbalances while CCP works on a proper role for them that doesn't begin and end with 'killing literally everything in sight' and helps clarify that there are no 'endgame' hulls in Eve.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2467 - 2012-03-17 12:21:38 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Andski wrote:
Headerman wrote:
A counter to titan blobs:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765

works better than drakes.


good god you're all retarded aren't you

one shitfit titan dying to dreads in lowsec (no DDs) is irrelevant


Oh well, you just keep sending them drakes, i am sure they will kill something... one day Smile


Think you and all the rest of the Anti-Titan nerf brigade are missing a very important point.....no-one brings Drakes to kill Titans.

I've seen the videos and other threads about this and the fights usually go something like this.

Goons/FA/FCON/RZR/SMA + Friends bring a sub-cap fleet to fight Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends (lol? and you guys whine about blobs, you serious??) sub-cap fleet.

Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends realise they are losing and jump in a ton of Titans/Super Caps and then run to the forums to say Titans aren't OP as Goons + Friends are using the wrong tactics in countering them.

I have yet to see anything that suggests that anyone is solely using Drakes to actively engage Titans or Super Caps.

It's always the sub-cap fight wrecked by Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends jumping in their Titans when they are losing.

But 10/10 for your obfuscation and sleight of hand maneuvers to try and justify your points.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2468 - 2012-03-17 12:24:08 UTC
I would say the simplest method to balance (quickfix like) titans without upsetting too many people would be to simply nerf the tank of supercaps so that a fully tank fitted titan has 3x the EHP of a Dread. That would mean that a tracking titan would have 1x the EHP of a dread and could be alphaed with a hige mael fleet. Furthermore, the mobility/ force projection of all supercaps should be nerfed to hell. You know, the biggest disadvantage of huge weapons was always the lack of mobility and flexibility.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2469 - 2012-03-17 12:34:54 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:


I've seen the videos and other threads about this and the fights usually go something like this.

We were actually there and haven't read about it on forums so plz stop talking about things you have no clue about.
Quote:

Goons/FA/FCON/RZR/SMA + Friends bring a sub-cap fleet to fight Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends (lol? and you guys whine about blobs, you serious??) sub-cap fleet.

Number of alliances != number of ships in the fleet or rather fleets. CFC never engages us without having an advantage in numbers.

Quote:

Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends realise they are losing and jump in a ton of Titans/Super Caps and then run to the forums to say Titans aren't OP as Goons + Friends are using the wrong tactics in countering them.

Yeah, what a suprise team dot uses its supers in order to counterbalance the CFC numbers. CFC certainly never expects that. They are surprised every singe time. Roll

Quote:

I have yet to see anything that suggests that anyone is solely using Drakes to actively engage Titans or Super Caps.

Than stop reading forums and watching videos and join a CFC fleet instead.
Quote:

It's always the sub-cap fight wrecked by Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends jumping in their Titans when they are losing.

And you came to this conclusion by reading goon propaganda? I am not sure why I am even answering your post...

Orion Guardian
#2470 - 2012-03-17 12:36:41 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
Headerman wrote:
Andski wrote:
Headerman wrote:
A counter to titan blobs:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765

works better than drakes.


good god you're all retarded aren't you

one shitfit titan dying to dreads in lowsec (no DDs) is irrelevant


Oh well, you just keep sending them drakes, i am sure they will kill something... one day Smile


Think you and all the rest of the Anti-Titan nerf brigade are missing a very important point.....no-one brings Drakes to kill Titans.

I've seen the videos and other threads about this and the fights usually go something like this.

Goons/FA/FCON/RZR/SMA + Friends bring a sub-cap fleet to fight Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends (lol? and you guys whine about blobs, you serious??) sub-cap fleet.

Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends realise they are losing and jump in a ton of Titans/Super Caps and then run to the forums to say Titans aren't OP as Goons + Friends are using the wrong tactics in countering them.

I have yet to see anything that suggests that anyone is solely using Drakes to actively engage Titans or Super Caps.

It's always the sub-cap fight wrecked by Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends jumping in their Titans when they are losing.

But 10/10 for your obfuscation and sleight of hand maneuvers to try and justify your points.


Beautiful summary of whats happening. Oh and getting blueballed by RaidenDOT and friends happens alot as well ;).
Orion Guardian
#2471 - 2012-03-17 12:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Orion Guardian
John Maynard Keynes wrote:


Yeah, what a suprise team dot uses its supers in order to counterbalance the CFC numbers. CFC certainly never expects that. They are surprised every singe time




Well lying seems not to be above you. More often than not the DOT coalition brings about the same amount of people to a fight as the CFC. So they are blobbing as much as we do. Sometimes they outnumber us anyway and we still fight. A little different from DOTs tactics: "Oh noes, Goons got 50 ships more than us... BRING TITANS!" and if Titans are not avaible just don't show up... "We didn't want this Region anyway" And you are surprised Titans get a nerfbat?



Btw I doubt some Highsec NSC corper goes into Nullsec that much, at least post with your main, coward.
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2472 - 2012-03-17 13:02:53 UTC
Cyaron wars wrote:
You can link many killmails and say different things, but you all will be wrong. As one guy already posted in this thread: You cannot balance 70 billion ship vs 200 million ship. With same success you can try to balance Lamborghini vs Volkswagen Golf.
Any attempt that you make will fail since it will be wrong from very beginning. CCP should balance titans and supers against capitas and balance capitals against subcaps. that is the main point.


Hahaha.

Ok, so tell me - can you balance 70 billion ship vs 350 200 million ships?
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2473 - 2012-03-17 13:03:04 UTC
i never understood why a person living in nullsec like a raidenDOT pilot would have to post with an npc alt

what can people do, wardec your corp?

oh no that's right raidenDOT directorate is so embarrassed of their posting they order them to not post with their mains
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2474 - 2012-03-17 13:15:00 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Headerman wrote:
A counter to titan blobs:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765

works better than drakes.


Tell me more about how the death of an comedy titan fit with smartbombs and no tank has any relevance to the tracking abilities of massed XL guns.


More tracking = less tank maybe?

More tracking = easier to gank maybe?

More tracking = greater risk of losing the ship to a half thought out fleet composition that, surprisingly, is cap heavy?

And did you miss the rest of the titans in that battle report? They could have been there from anytime tho


What you are saying is - you have no idea what happened there, but are using it as an argument anyway?

Sweet Smile
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2475 - 2012-03-17 13:18:29 UTC
Orion GUardian wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:


Yeah, what a suprise team dot uses its supers in order to counterbalance the CFC numbers. CFC certainly never expects that. They are surprised every singe time




Well lying seems not to be above you. More often than not the DOT coalition brings about the same amount of people to a fight as the CFC. So they are blobbing as much as we do. Sometimes they outnumber us anyway and we still fight. A little different from DOTs tactics: "Oh noes, Goons got 50 ships more than us... BRING TITANS!" and if Titans are not avaible just don't show up... "We didn't want this Region anyway" And you are surprised Titans get a nerfbat?



Btw I doubt some Highsec NSC corper goes into Nullsec that much, at least post with your main, coward.


Oh please, how did the whole thing start? Raiden asked for help because you have started to openly threaten them. Everyone has seen your 900 man blobs and knew that RDN wouldn't stand a chance even with their supers.

And there is a huge misperception from your side. When team dot doesn't show up it is simply because we don't get enough people into the fleet to achieve at least a 2 cfc to 1 team dot ratio. Simply because our whole coalition is much smaller than yours.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance
Simply do your math. + NC. and PL are not always around due to merc contracts but even with them, you still outnumber us.

You fight Raiden, Evoks and Init most of the time. The number of members of these three alliances combined are by far smaller than the Goonswarm alone!

Oh, and I would understand your whining if the CFC would be some kind of poor alliance without the ability to counter our supers. But you simply don't have the balls to do so for what reason ever. We risk our supers every time we bring them on field. Your alliance seems only to be able to field cheap ships even though you have a shitload of tech. And then you wonder why your horde of peasants with pitch forks is losing against a well equiped army. Hillarious!

P.S: I won't comment on this issue any further, this is not what this thread should be about.
P.P.S: I still agree that the titans should be balanced.... I just think that this should be done properly instead of turning them into giant stargates. According to PL this changes will not change anything, though. Which makes the proposed changes even more stupid.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2476 - 2012-03-17 13:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
And you came to this conclusion by reading goon propaganda? I am not sure why I am even answering your post...


LMAO! Actually it was from reading the forums from/about Raiden. and watching their videos on Youtube. Your own 'propaganda' is not painting your argument in a good light.

I rarely if ever bother with Goon propaganda as it's not that great to be honest. You can see the punchlines coming a mile off with them.


John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Oh please, how did the whole thing start? Raiden asked for help because you have started to openly threaten them. Everyone has seen your 900 man blobs and knew that RDN wouldn't stand a chance even with their supers.

And there is a huge misperception from your side. When team dot doesn't show up it is simply because we don't get enough people into the fleet to achieve at least a 2 cfc to 1 team dot ratio. Simply because our whole coalition is much smaller than yours.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance
Simply do your math. + NC. and PL are not always around due to merc contracts but even with them, you still outnumber us.

You fight Raiden, Evoks and Init most of the time. The number of members of these three alliances combined are by far smaller than the Goonswarm alone!

Oh, and I would understand your whining if the CFC would be some kind of poor alliance without the ability to counter our supers. But you simply don't have the balls to do so for what reason ever. We risk our supers every time we bring them on field. Your alliance seems only to be able to field cheap ships even though you have a shitload of tech. And then you wonder why your horde of peasants with pitch forks is losing against a well equiped army. Hillarious!

P.S: I won't comment on this issue any further, this is not what this thread should be about.
P.P.S: I still agree that the titans should be balanced.... I just think that this should be done properly instead of turning them into giant stargates. According to PL this changes will not change anything, though. Which makes the proposed changes even more stupid.


Raiden. may want to change their killboards then as the fights over the last 2-3 weeks have pretty much shown equal numbers in the fights between them and the CFC.

Again, out right lies and obfuscation to try and prove your points.

I suggest you read the forums and watch the Youtube videos because you say you were there, but which fights? Certainly doesn't seem to be the same one's Raiden. + Friends and the CFC have been at.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2477 - 2012-03-17 14:32:07 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:

stuff


You know, it is hard to argue with a forum warrior. You simply take a period of your choise and claim it to be representative for the entire war. And it is not like you present any evidence.

Yes, the more often goons get supers dropped on their heads the fewer goons are apparently willing to join the fleets.

It started more like this though:
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=5706

And now, everyone keep trolling and whining and forum warrioring...
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2478 - 2012-03-17 15:43:34 UTC
Ok
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2479 - 2012-03-17 16:29:16 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
words


look at this pubbie trash acting like he has a clue

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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2480 - 2012-03-17 16:45:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
words


look at this pubbie trash acting like he has a clue


For just 5 dollars a month you can get this guy a hobby.

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