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Demonachizer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2221 - 2012-03-15 16:22:54 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Demonachizer wrote:
Can someone explain to me in simple terms what is going on here?


Two power blocks swinging their purses at each other pretty much. Nothing new to see really.

QuestionShould I stop playing eve because of this change? I want to be able to do cool stuff when I have more skills and some people seem to be saying that the game is useless now because of this. It is really making me nervous.Question
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2222 - 2012-03-15 16:25:42 UTC
Cyaron wars wrote:
looks like you really don't understand my point or u just don't want to understand what I'm talking about. Once again I'm saying that there is a gap that should be filled. removing a role from ship and leaving that role empty is silly.


Problem is not that people won't understand what you are talking about.

You just have no idea what you are talking about.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2223 - 2012-03-15 16:25:49 UTC
Sentinel Eeex wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
hakkart wrote:
Cyaron wars wrote:
So my point is any side should have advantage on battlefield as it now (Numbers and technology). So you filed 1000 Drakes which can be countered by 200 Abaddons. Each side should be able to decide what it will bring for a fight - High SP+Expensive ships or less PS but en mass.


You're oversimplifying it. 1000 drakes does not make a fleet. Fleet is all about composition. 1000 drakes would lose HARD to a 500-man fleet with an actual composition, with logis and dictors and recons. . And that's the way it ought to be. A titan blob, on the other hand, stands on its own with no need for support other than supercarriers, which are equally unkillable in large numbers.

Edit before someone puts words in my mouth: The 500-man fleet is mostly drakes.


How are these titans tackling you guys? No chance in hell I would get in point range of one, much less scram and web. Straight


Hahaha. Ok, so you never fought a bunch of titans, we get it.


No. I'm just a bit confused how titans are able to tackle you guys when you said they didn't bring any support. With all those officer sensor boosters and officer tracking computers, is there room for tackle too?
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2224 - 2012-03-15 16:27:31 UTC
Demonachizer wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Demonachizer wrote:
Can someone explain to me in simple terms what is going on here?


Two power blocks swinging their purses at each other pretty much. Nothing new to see really.

QuestionShould I stop playing eve because of this change? I want to be able to do cool stuff when I have more skills and some people seem to be saying that the game is useless now because of this. It is really making me nervous.Question


Nah, don't quit the game. Just stay out of null space till CCP addresses the real problems there. Broken game mechanics that encourage super power blocks. Big smile
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2225 - 2012-03-15 16:41:21 UTC
more npc corps weigh in with their valuable opinion
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2226 - 2012-03-15 16:52:15 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Demonachizer wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Demonachizer wrote:
Can someone explain to me in simple terms what is going on here?


Two power blocks swinging their purses at each other pretty much. Nothing new to see really.

QuestionShould I stop playing eve because of this change? I want to be able to do cool stuff when I have more skills and some people seem to be saying that the game is useless now because of this. It is really making me nervous.Question


Nah, don't quit the game. Just stay out of null space till CCP addresses the real problems there. Broken game mechanics that encourage super power blocks. Big smile


I'd actually strongly advise against this (staying out of null, that is. I agree EVE is worth playing - I still do).

Basically, as it stands, this is a lot of bluster over changes to the largest and most expensive ship in the game. As it stands, 3 of the 4 versions of that ship are capable of killing any number of others (hundreds, thousands), when brought in numbers of 20 or more. There are 800+ active in the game, and more made every day. There are a few groups that think this is fine, and the rest of us that feel this make EVE less fun for everyone else not flying one of these expensive ships.

Basically, don't stay out of null sec. Join a group, either a large one, or a small one, and get out there and shoot people. There are groups out there willing to take on new players, and with them you can experience some of the fun and unique parts of EVE. This shouldn't impact your gameplay experience.
Demonachizer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2227 - 2012-03-15 16:55:18 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Demonachizer wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Demonachizer wrote:
Can someone explain to me in simple terms what is going on here?


Two power blocks swinging their purses at each other pretty much. Nothing new to see really.

QuestionShould I stop playing eve because of this change? I want to be able to do cool stuff when I have more skills and some people seem to be saying that the game is useless now because of this. It is really making me nervous.Question


Nah, don't quit the game. Just stay out of null space till CCP addresses the real problems there. Broken game mechanics that encourage super power blocks. Big smile


I'd actually strongly advise against this (staying out of null, that is. I agree EVE is worth playing - I still do).

Basically, as it stands, this is a lot of bluster over changes to the largest and most expensive ship in the game. As it stands, 3 of the 4 versions of that ship are capable of killing any number of others (hundreds, thousands), when brought in numbers of 20 or more. There are 800+ active in the game, and more made every day. There are a few groups that think this is fine, and the rest of us that feel this make EVE less fun for everyone else not flying one of these expensive ships.

Basically, don't stay out of null sec. Join a group, either a large one, or a small one, and get out there and shoot people. There are groups out there willing to take on new players, and with them you can experience some of the fun and unique parts of EVE. This shouldn't impact your gameplay experience.

You seem nice can I join your group?
Hey You
Desolate Waste
Desolate.
#2228 - 2012-03-15 17:07:37 UTC
Ikoma Sunblazer wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Ikoma Sunblazer wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
The scan res number is balanced around multiple Cormack's sensor boosters, on the assumption that money is not a limiting factor for titan pilots, and therefore that people will shell out for officer SBs if that lets them continue do this kind of thing.



All things aside, this is a pretty hilarious assumption that doesn't make sense in context. With a base sensor strength of 5, you are talking about a few seconds difference between t2 and cormack out of a probable minute+ lock time.

Well worth the 4b+ sensor booster imo Lol


Gains you 25s against frigates (105 to 79, assuming 3 are fitted), 15s against cruisers (64 to 49) and 10s against battleships (44 to 33).

If you see this as a big difference, then it's worth balancing around the officer fit given that dropping 12bn on SBs is not a huge fraction of the outlay for a properly-fit titan. If you don't see this as a big difference, then balancing around the officer fit isn't a big deal because it's not having a major impact. Either way, it's a functional assumption Smile


And these numbers are all calculated with TRIPLE cormack sensor boosters? Which are 10b each atm and will surely go up?

CCP Greyscale wrote:
"Not a huge fraction of the outlay for a properly-fit titan"
So you are saying that 30bil, or about half the build cost of a titan in sensor boosters is a reasonable investment in titans for a 10 second gain in lock time that still comes out to over half a minute, or about triple the warp speed of a maelstrom.

You are a funny dude :)



No no man hes not funny. He is reta*rded. Much as anyone in CCP who don't see significance in shooting yourself in a foot in order to fix small cut on your little finger.
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2229 - 2012-03-15 17:13:58 UTC
Max50 wrote:
Just as any other nerf players will have to adapt to what CCP has for them.Drone nerf from supercarriers,now another titan nerf,tomorrow a tengu nerf because the worse side of players cant field 500+ everyday to blap them and who knows what else.

For over a year i am watching goons crying for various things in game,all of them having to do with them dying over and over..
CCP has already chose the side that will be supported.You have to be realistic about it and move on just as every other nerf(aka goon boosts).

For some players,this game has to do with planning,gaining ISK,spending them to buy new toys,buy new characters like this character created back in 2003 and is used a an "alt" from a 2008 player.Getting "better" in this game is different for all of us.

Lets just take CCP's place for a moment.They have 2 conflicting sides in this game.The one that seeks in game improvement and the other side that is heavily roleplaying and counts on it to play.I ve been in other games before EVE and if CCP doesnt take steps to sustain the roleplaying side the game will die itself.Most of you will propably say that goons should "gtfo and send ISK" before they do but here is the problem:the typical goon grunt doesnt have ISK to give.

What they do have though is real life money wich is what keeps this game ticking.So yeah,dont expect any counter to blob,the future has more and more things to favour them.So we are now in that tear circle where the worse players cry because they lose and the better players have to adapt everytime CCP is boosting.

Lets see whats next to be nerfed


There is no danger for your brain, though. It can't get nerfed any more than it is.
Demonachizer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2230 - 2012-03-15 17:28:18 UTC
Hey You wrote:


And these numbers are all calculated with TRIPLE cormack sensor boosters? Which are 10b each atm and will surely go up?



No no man hes not funny. He is reta*rded. Much as anyone in CCP who don't see significance in shooting yourself in a foot in order to fix small cut on your little finger.

QuestionShould I stop playing eve because of this change? I want to be able to do cool stuff when I have more skills and some people seem to be saying that the game is useless now because of this. It is really making me nervous.Question

You seem to be one of the people that feels that this is a bad change so I would like your opinion too. Sorry to bother you :(
Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2231 - 2012-03-15 17:30:34 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Sentinel Eeex wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
hakkart wrote:
Cyaron wars wrote:
So my point is any side should have advantage on battlefield as it now (Numbers and technology). So you filed 1000 Drakes which can be countered by 200 Abaddons. Each side should be able to decide what it will bring for a fight - High SP+Expensive ships or less PS but en mass.


You're oversimplifying it. 1000 drakes does not make a fleet. Fleet is all about composition. 1000 drakes would lose HARD to a 500-man fleet with an actual composition, with logis and dictors and recons. . And that's the way it ought to be. A titan blob, on the other hand, stands on its own with no need for support other than supercarriers, which are equally unkillable in large numbers.

Edit before someone puts words in my mouth: The 500-man fleet is mostly drakes.


How are these titans tackling you guys? No chance in hell I would get in point range of one, much less scram and web. Straight


Hahaha. Ok, so you never fought a bunch of titans, we get it.


No. I'm just a bit confused how titans are able to tackle you guys when you said they didn't bring any support. With all those officer sensor boosters and officer tracking computers, is there room for tackle too?


Titans scram dictors, then slowly chew through their tank.

That's how it is done.
Temmu Guerra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2232 - 2012-03-15 17:34:10 UTC
I really love the argument of goons coming and saying that SP and wealth dont matter in the game. Why doesnt CCP just get rid of all the ship costs and make us all fly rifters. Everything coming from the goons camp seems to be favoring numbers.

If goons were actually willing to fit up dreads and have them on the battlefield and take a bunch of losses. I am sure they could kill a bunch of suppers. The real problem here is that dictors dont have enough EHP to stay alive to keep the titan pointed and on the field.
Bob Random
Industrial Mining and Mayhem
Sigma Grindset
#2233 - 2012-03-15 17:48:12 UTC
Temmu Guerra wrote:
Why doesnt CCP just get rid of all the ship costs and make us all fly rifters.


I gave you a 'like' for that.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#2234 - 2012-03-15 17:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Weaselior wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Mathicluanna wrote:
Because supercap pilots are not mindless automatons who can stay logged into the game 24/7 without burning out.

Or your thing (hint: its not your thing).


Really? they had the stamina to topple the Northern coalition across 5 regions, but not the Goons in Deklein?

why is the noname worthless empiredweller trying to talk about nullsec warfare


Call me a concerned citizen. And I find it rather surprising that you still havent been able to cough up a good lie to explain why it is that the CFC havent been kicked out of nullsec long ago, despite your adversaries holding the supposedly undefeatable "iWin" button for more than a year.
George Holden
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2235 - 2012-03-15 17:55:24 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:

Call me a concerned citizen. And I find it rather surprising that you still havent been able to cough up a good lie to explain why it is that the CFC havent been kicked out of nullsec long ago, despite your adversaries holding the supposedly undefeatable "iWin" button for more than a year.


Maybe they're scared that whatever they do to make sure they can drive away the CFC gets nerfed into oblivion because CCP loves the goons so much?

Just a hypothesis feel free to iterate on that :>
Dungar's Sister
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#2236 - 2012-03-15 17:59:00 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Mathicluanna wrote:
Because supercap pilots are not mindless automatons who can stay logged into the game 24/7 without burning out.

Or your thing (hint: its not your thing).


Really? they had the stamina to topple the Northern coalition across 5 regions, but not the Goons in Deklein?

why is the noname worthless empiredweller trying to talk about nullsec warfare


Call me a concerned citizen. And I find it rather surprising that you still havent been able to cough up a good lie to explain why it is that the CFC havent been kicked out of nullsec long ago, despite your adversaries holding the supposedly undefeatable "iWin" button for more than a year.

Because everyone else is a coward and terrified of losing even a single one of their overcompensation devices.
Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues
#2237 - 2012-03-15 18:11:35 UTC
Dungar's Sister wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Mathicluanna wrote:
Because supercap pilots are not mindless automatons who can stay logged into the game 24/7 without burning out.

Or your thing (hint: its not your thing).


Really? they had the stamina to topple the Northern coalition across 5 regions, but not the Goons in Deklein?

why is the noname worthless empiredweller trying to talk about nullsec warfare


Call me a concerned citizen. And I find it rather surprising that you still havent been able to cough up a good lie to explain why it is that the CFC havent been kicked out of nullsec long ago, despite your adversaries holding the supposedly undefeatable "iWin" button for more than a year.

Because everyone else is a coward and terrified of losing even a single one of their overcompensation devices.



So goon mains claim we used them too much as iWin buttons and goonalts say we are afraid of using them. Better make up your mind.
Death2all Supercaps
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#2238 - 2012-03-15 18:19:00 UTC
Le Cardinal wrote:


So goon mains claim we used them too much as iWin buttons and goonalts say we are afraid of using them. Better make up your mind.


No. You're bad. Both are correct.
You used them too much as "I Win" buttons, except since that time you failed the ~vfk headshot~
But now you are too afraid :P

What will be the name of the next BOB iteration once Raiden failcascades?
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#2239 - 2012-03-15 18:20:37 UTC
"If we can't have godmobiles, then why don't we all just fly rifters?"

WOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Such a terrible argument.

100+ pages of confirmation that Eve shouldn't be designed for 500 elite pvp, no-life, turbonerds who will only play if they can be invincible.

Supercaps were a game-killing dead-end, and the policy decision to reverse that game development path has been made. All you guys are doing is screaming into the void as the rest of the game moves on to a brighter future for the 99.999% of players who aren't total social rejects.
Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues
#2240 - 2012-03-15 18:20:59 UTC
Death2all Supercaps wrote:
Le Cardinal wrote:


So goon mains claim we used them too much as iWin buttons and goonalts say we are afraid of using them. Better make up your mind.


No. You're bad. Both are correct.
You used them too much as "I Win" buttons, except since that time you failed the ~vfk headshot~
But now you are too afraid :P

What will be the name of the next BOB iteration once Raiden failcascades?


We use them quite regularly.