Ships & Modules

Not necessarily; 20 vagabonds vs 100 rifters? Sure, it's a slaughter.
100 rifters versus 10 battleships? I'd be putting my money on the rifters.
Those 20 vagabonds may take out, say, 10 Maelstroms; 10 Tempests packing neuts may be an entirely different story.
Most ships in the game are balanced around having a number of weaknesses and strengths.

Edit: What Andski said.


See above. There's no clear hierarchy as regards what ship wins. Until supercaps come in.


Game balance is a ******* abysmal field, it's extraordinarily difficult to get right. Also, the signature isn't necessarily the ship size, [insert RP fluff here]. In any case, it is a balance mechanic all the same; MWD's serve the 'get there fast oh god gogogo' function, afterburners provide a more modest speed increase, but increase survivability at the same time.



NPC alt tears are the most delicious tears.


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Where will it stop though? with carriers?

If somehow titans were deemed too risky to send in to battle, what ship class will be next in line to send in?

Super carriers.

What counter is there to a RR super carrier fleet? One whos HP count is higher than a titans? Will we see calls for another HP/ability nerf for SCs before long?

There are ways to put incentives in place for people to be effective with their titans without them being on the battlefield, and those incentives go beyond a simple nerf.

I think CCP has taken leave of creative thinking.

Several, most of them involving subcaps. SC are balanced and beatable.

So basically all u say is that every fleet doctrine can be countered. So with proper fleet composition u can **** battleships with ahacs. but if battleships will burn in different directions they will murder ahacs. This is exactly what I want to say. no imagine that on a higher tier. imagine you have fleet of dreads with enough DPS to kill and track battleships out of siege mode. u dield supers to take them out. but then dreads can go to siege and start raping supers if they have enough numbers or ask for suppercap support to counter your super fleet. that's exactly what is missing. that is what I'm trying to say.

There should be no uber ship. Titans atm are viewed from solo point of view. ppl are looking at what 1 titan does instead of looking on it from fleet doctrine perspective and counter them same way. 1 dread will never kill a full fleet of battleships but 100 dreads will. 1 battleship will never alpha hac or cruiser but in numbers they will, same goes for for hacs that will **** battleships, dreads that will **** titansand so on.

Once again stop looking at 1 particular ship. Look at all those ships that are before and after it in tier rank.

Battleship killer - that is what missing in this game. ship with enough tank to adsorb a huge damage comming from number of battleships and enough DPS to bring some of them down before he dies. Titans are the ones that fulfill that role, dreads can be significant replacement to them in this case.

The counter to a blob of titans is a bigger blob of titans. Hence the nerf.

It has been two days.
Tears still create a river.
Mittani can't dance.

Which was tried and failed. This also does not fix the problem in that titans invalidated 99% of ships in EVE and made winning fights impossible for smaller alliances.

Why can Assault frigate like Ishkur **** 5 T1 frigates? Why Garmon rapes pretty much everything in his videos while flying ship fitted for over 5 bil and implants for 2bil? What's the point of training and perfecting skills then?

hmm yes i'm sure garmon solos carriers because he's fielding more isk than they are

It's adorable that we're 110 pages in, and people are still posting about these THOUSANDS OF BATTLESHIPS that goons can supposedly bring to a fight. Nevermind that goons have been consistently matched in numbers, in every major fight we've had in the last few months. I was in a fleet last night with 146 people. Not sure where the other 1400+ were, but man I wish they'd show up soon.

But go ahead and continue to post about these thousands of goons that are going to come riding out of the sun like some mongol horde, to wipe out everything not protected by the flying Alamo Fortresses that are titans. Everytime a ttian is fielded, it is literally a last stand against the forces of evil and badposting. In the meantime the rest of us will be here in reality, where titans are still overpowered and broken. Where a group of alliances abused that broken mechanic to the point that CCP sees they have no choice but to make immediate changes before the abuse gets worse.

Remember these are the same people who dropped their titan blob onto a CCP fleet, just a few jumps from Jita. The largest hub in all of eve. And they did so with absolutely no fear, because even though there might have been 2-3000 people in that system, the titan blob was just as invincible then as it is on any other battlefield. CCP saw this firsthand, and so has everyone else. Titans need a nerf, nerf is coming, whine more.