EVE General Discussion

So lets see... the CSM said stuff (but can't tell us what it was). CCP Zulu also said stuff (but won't tell us what it was).

You guys are better at Mushroom Management than my employer, and that's saying something!

Also reassurances that the converstaion focused on FiS don't reassure me one bit. Goon's game is totally different from mine, and the majority of the player base.

So I'm sorry but I can't get even a glimmer of excitement about this thread.

At this point? ANYTHING at all. They arn't able to deliver even their own stuff (like, Incarna CQs) in the timeframe they set themselves.

1 room for 7 months of developement? Apocrypha was done in 5 months (yes, from announcing it to release).

So this week the CSM asked for the support of players who are not actually allowed to know specifically what they're supporting, in a campaign that will anyway be carried out behind closed doors. Understood.

You woke me up for this?


I see. You would like "more" and don't have a specific proposal. In that case, I expect you will indeed get what you have asked for. Congratulations.


Then who's ideas are relevant? You're on the CSM negotiating with CCP, right? We're not allowed to know, right? I hope somebody's ideas are relevant, but I guess they're staying way the f**k away from this empty thread.

So are the minutes going to be released in 3-4 months?

It seems likely that they aren't at that stage yet. A cursory review of CCP's financial statements shows that the vast majority of EVE's income is going towards developing things that are not spaceships. There is a lot of "extra" money being thrown into that stuff ALSO -- obviously without Dust, Carbon, WoD, and Incarna CCP wouldn't have millions and millions of dollars in lines of credit or venture capital to be spending on new code. But a huge portion of the "money from EVE subs" is paying for developing stuff that is not "EVE" as we know it.

The CSM is probably just at the stage where they get a commitment from CCP that this is going to change for the next several expansions, without any discussion of monetary details. Discussion of numbers of assigned development teams is much more likely, but obviously more vague than what you're looking for. Furthermore, it is likely that the CSM didn't have any such metrics in mind going into their meeting, or they would have talked about them in more detail. :P

Guys, there is nothing any of us can say at this point more than what we've said.

But know that we are working hard on your behalf to get CCP to address your concerns regarding FiS.

It's better to give us what information that you can than no information at all. I trust you will once again reiterate to CCP that clear honest communications with their customers will always yield better results than evasion, spin or turtling up.



PS It must be frustrating to have to reiterate this same basic lesson over and over again...

This concept of 'communication' - it doesn't translate into Icelandic well?

C.

Lobbying for CCP to focus on FIS is virtually too late. The pertinent time was last July when CCP announced their plans for 2011 which (disgracefully) had nothing to do with FIS at all.

It's disappointing to see it has taken over a year for everyone (and the CSM) to understand the gravest concerns have nothing to do with Barbie or NeX. The issue is and always has been broken core gameplay of the FIS variety. Fussing with emergency summits to tackle reaction to NeX garbage is like rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic.

And if they DIDN'T say that they had just concluded a meeting with CCP, than everyone would be screaming that the CSM is impotent and sitting around doing nothing.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "We've had a meeting, we're writing it up. Stay tuned" .

As much as I respect the CSM for their efforts and for putting up with all the player hate while they try to drag CCP's focus back onto spaceships, at the same time there is a certain irony about all this populist demand for new content in a game that sells itself as a sandbox, rather than a vehicle for ongoing content deployment.

As I listened to Mittani speak during the recent FunkyBacon radio special, I couldn't help but think - "Really? The real issue that is stagnating nullsec is lack of a reason to fight?"

As a lifelong lowsec enthusiast and Faction Warfare veteran, this was a little odd to hear. CCP hasn't given us any updates in years, and the scene is still alive and active. Militia pilots have never waited for added content to keep them from getting out and into a fight - a tiny bit of RP zest and some lasting friendships are enough to keep us dropping fleets of all variants and sizes on each other week after week - its a shame the jaded nullsec vets don't have the same positive attitude and need mawr carrots to march onward.

Also mentioned was how much of a pain it is to deal with Sovereignty changes, the boring nature of siege warfare (the structure popping kind), etc. Again, all reasons why those of us in militia have always enjoyed the scene - we have all the fun of extremely talented pew pilots in gangs of all sizes, without any of the headaches Mittani spoke of. It is also why most of the miltia vets who "graduate" into an alliance eventually get bored and come back home.

So yes, this is a bit of a promo for the FW scene, but also a call to players to take control themselves - come up with new things to try, pick a fight with someone new, make it senseless and fun - you DONT have to let CCP keep you from having a good time!

Here you can see what we've been up to in FW!! You know, the feature that was "abandoned" and "died" years ago :)