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New dev blog: Rebalancing EVE, one ship at a time

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Noztra Ernaga
m o t i o n
#1921 - 2012-04-04 06:28:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Noztra Ernaga
My assumption is that you need Frigate III to fly a Destroyer. You also need Frigate IV and Cruiser III to fly a Battlecruiser.

They have said you maintain the ability to fly everything you are able to after the change goes live.

I have decided to skill for racial Frigates IV, racial Cruiser III, BCs and Destroyers V postponing my current skill plan.

Hope this is a good decission that is going to pay off in the future and I get my Battlecruiser and Destroyer V for all races :)

This should work if they choose the second approach. Should they select the first one, you will be fine with BCs and Destroyers V without your racial Frigate and Cruiser skills taken into account.
Pietr Serras
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1922 - 2012-04-04 07:37:17 UTC
Wow, it just feels like everything ccp announces as of late makes me want to leave. I haven't heard one good idea besides the titan nerf. Quit dumbing down eve. If I want a simple super easy pve game, then I'd just go play SWTOR not this. Inferno may be the end of eve for the hardcore player.
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1923 - 2012-04-04 18:29:41 UTC
Andski wrote:


Stick to missions, thanks!


I do, I have and I am. Thanks.
Justice Comes
Doomheim
#1924 - 2012-04-04 18:33:42 UTC
Blaze D'fire wrote:
Alright well i spent about 4 hours reading the thread and i am thuroughly confused at this point.
I have a couple concerns that everyone has already voiced 11,634 times so i'll say it once more.


It's the release of some but not all information that has everyone so confused. I imagine thousands of people have adjusted their entire queue plan for this, but we have really no idea whether we actually should. Holy lemming-rush.

Most annoying thing of the week: You failed to dock/jump because you are cloaked (in your Deep Space Transport).

Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#1925 - 2012-04-05 02:58:24 UTC
First I havent read all the pages... it is just to much.... is their any new infos what the status quo is?


P.S. My thoughts on rebalancing

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer

Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1926 - 2012-04-05 12:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Daeva Teresa
Easy way, how to implement this:

1.
Seed the 4 new battlecruiser books.
Write in the descriptions of old book, new books, skills and battlecruiser ships, that there will be switch in 2 months. Also state the change will be comming in the launcher and on the community site. This way everyone will know whats comming and can easily prepare for it.

2. 2 months later:
Remove all the old battlecruiser books and skill from the game, reimbust the isk and skill points.
Switch all the battlecruiser to use the new skills.
Remove the mentionning of the change from the descriptions, launcher and site.

Same with destroyers but maybe not in the same time. Also I think that destroyers don't need 2 months between 1. and 2.

    Some notes:
  • Yes you can't learn all 4 new BC to 5 in 2 months but its better than waiting too long or switching too fast. People who needs BC 5 because of Command ships could train 2 new BC to 5 in that 2 months and invest the pts from old BC to third BC skill. I think this should be OK for them. CCP could definitely tweak the time between 1. and 2. but should not go below 2 months.
  • You can't remove the old books in 1. since that way no new player could fly BCs in that 2 months.
  • I know, that a lot of players will train BC in that 2 months just to have skill points to redistribute, but this is the only problem with this solution I can think of.
  • Also reimbustment of the SP is the only way how to do this because of people who will have partially learned BC skill levels in the time of switch.

I think this would be easy to implement and fair to everypony.

P.S. If you (CCP) will use this idea, give me credit and a lot of PLEXes. Just kidding :-). If I can help my belowed game, I will do so for free any time I can.

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.

Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1927 - 2012-04-06 16:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyress
Geez this is a long thread, and there's no way I'll read 97 pages of it so I'll just ask. Does anyone know if they plan to extend this to the generic T2 ship command skills? All the T2 ship skills are generic like the Destroyer and Battlecruiser. I have them all at a minimum of 4. To take them to 5 will I have to train a race specific version for 1 more level each race? While we are on the subject of reimbursement, is My skill point total going to bloom dramatically when this goes into effect or are you downsizing the skills to be equivalent to the generic skillpoints for the skill covering all races? If the skillpoint total blooms will you be upgrading our clones for us when this takes place?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#1928 - 2012-04-06 17:27:05 UTC
If it opens up a new hull, it'll be factional. If it's just modified hulls, it'll be generic.

The T2 skills don't open up new hulls, therefore, generic.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Allen Ramses
Zombicidal Mania
#1929 - 2012-04-06 19:07:36 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
If it opens up a new hull size, it'll be factional.
FYP, EA.

Destroyers are frigate sized vessels. BCs are horrendously overpowered cruiser sized vessels. Fix the BCs to be what they are supposed to be, and the need for racial skill modifications is gone.
Hena Muri
Perkone
Caldari State
#1930 - 2012-04-06 20:56:46 UTC
Zyress wrote:
Geez this is a long thread, and there's no way I'll read 97 pages of it so I'll just ask. Does anyone know if they plan to extend this to the generic T2 ship command skills? All the T2 ship skills are generic like the Destroyer and Battlecruiser. I have them all at a minimum of 4. To take them to 5 will I have to train a race specific version for 1 more level each race? While we are on the subject of reimbursement, is My skill point total going to bloom dramatically when this goes into effect or are you downsizing the skills to be equivalent to the generic skillpoints for the skill covering all races? If the skillpoint total blooms will you be upgrading our clones for us when this takes place?


This is to fix the confusion in having to train something like Minmatar Cruiser 3 to fly a Hurricane which is a battle cruiser.

There should be less confusion that flying a Cruiser Tech 2 Hull is going to require that factions Cruiser Skill to 5 as all Tech 2 ships work that way. Though, It does mean that you'll only need Minmatar BC skill to 5 to fly a command ship, instead of BC 5 and Minmatar Cruiser 5 which is potentially confusing and makes it take significantly longer to get into these vessels than a Tech 3 hull.

This also makes it possible to add Pirate Faction Destroyers, and Pirate Faction BC's to the game, and I'm looking forward to that as it means more Gurista's stuff (Missile/Drone boats) A destroyer that could field 10 light drones would be epic (just saying)!

Hopefully it means more Destroyer hulls as well as training to level 5 destroyers and only getting one hull the entire time is very "meh"

_WAter_
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1931 - 2012-04-07 01:26:36 UTC
Pietr Serras wrote:
Wow, it just feels like everything ccp announces as of late makes me want to leave. I haven't heard one good idea besides the titan nerf. Quit dumbing down eve. If I want a simple super easy pve game, then I'd just go play SWTOR not this. Inferno may be the end of eve for the hardcore player.


Oh please. Go. Quit. I bet you can't even tell why is this going to make eve a super easy game. What a drama queen.
Dr Prometheus
Gears of Construction
Gears Confederation
#1932 - 2012-04-07 23:18:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Prometheus
Can i suggest a new tree (just the ship skills dont have the secondary or anything added.) for the ORE ships?

This tree shows also an idea for getting slowly into the mining profession by adding a ORE Frigate, ORE Cuiser, a Battlecruiser sized one. (Noctis/Primea hull with another role?). And then an (in my eyes.) better way to skill for certain sides.

So here is the link to my little schematic;

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1204/oreindustrialchart.png

Dude, where is my Quafe Megathron?

Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1933 - 2012-04-08 22:16:18 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Pietr Serras wrote:
Wow, it just feels like everything ccp announces as of late makes me want to leave. I haven't heard one good idea besides the titan nerf. Quit dumbing down eve. If I want a simple super easy pve game, then I'd just go play SWTOR not this. Inferno may be the end of eve for the hardcore player.


Oh please. Go. Quit. I bet you can't even tell why is this going to make eve a super easy game. What a drama queen.

+1

Some people just don't get that making things easier to learn <> dumbing down things.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Dreker71
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#1934 - 2012-04-08 23:41:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dreker71
I'd like to start by saying well done with most of the changes and improvements over the last year, but this is an absolute joke!!!!

I have dedicated my character to flying the different races.........so dedicated it has taken me 4 years to get there, including paying for the account to remain active when I have not been able to play to rack up the skills I needed and now you want to introduce this, how many more years of training is it going to take me to get back to where I am now?

it's going to make most of my skill points useless and I'm not willing to start again from the bottom.

I'm all up for changes that make EVE more accessible to newer players, after all more players is a good thing imo.
Don't overlook the old/loyal players tho, if I log in one day and can't use half my ships it'll be the last time I log in and I'm sure a lot of others share my opinion, of course there's always going to be the odd forum troll who can only fly one race who thinks this is great and it's to these people I extend my favourite finger.

Bring on the hate mail.............
None ofthe Above
#1935 - 2012-04-09 02:12:14 UTC
Dreker71 wrote:
I'd like to start by saying well done with most of the changes and improvements over the last year, but this is an absolute joke!!!!

I have dedicated my character to flying the different races.........so dedicated it has taken me 4 years to get there, including paying for the account to remain active when I have not been able to play to rack up the skills I needed and now you want to introduce this, how many more years of training is it going to take me to get back to where I am now?

it's going to make most of my skill points useless and I'm not willing to start again from the bottom.

I'm all up for changes that make EVE more accessible to newer players, after all more players is a good thing imo.
Don't overlook the old/loyal players tho, if I log in one day and can't use half my ships it'll be the last time I log in and I'm sure a lot of others share my opinion, of course there's always going to be the odd forum troll who can only fly one race who thinks this is great and it's to these people I extend my favourite finger.

Bring on the hate mail.............


Oi... there are reasons to be upset about these proposals, but they have committed to making sure you won't be locked out of any ships you can already fly.

As they've said ad infinitum now.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1936 - 2012-04-09 05:24:32 UTC
Dreker71 wrote:
I'd like to start by saying well done with most of the changes and improvements over the last year, but this is an absolute joke!!!!

I have dedicated my character to flying the different races.........so dedicated it has taken me 4 years to get there, including paying for the account to remain active when I have not been able to play to rack up the skills I needed and now you want to introduce this, how many more years of training is it going to take me to get back to where I am now?

it's going to make most of my skill points useless and I'm not willing to start again from the bottom.

I'm all up for changes that make EVE more accessible to newer players, after all more players is a good thing imo.
Don't overlook the old/loyal players tho, if I log in one day and can't use half my ships it'll be the last time I log in and I'm sure a lot of others share my opinion, of course there's always going to be the odd forum troll who can only fly one race who thinks this is great and it's to these people I extend my favourite finger.

Bring on the hate mail.............

have you even read what the changes will be? what is wrong with people Sad

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Dreker71
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#1937 - 2012-04-09 07:04:04 UTC

Bring on the hate mail.............[/quote]
have you even read what the changes will be? what is wrong with people Sad[/quote]

Yes but not all 90 something pages
Dreker71
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#1938 - 2012-04-09 07:11:06 UTC
Oi... there are reasons to be upset about these proposals, but they have committed to making sure you won't be locked out of any ships you can already fly.

As they've said ad infinitum now.[/quote]

and what about the ones I was due to fly soon....?
Justin Ackaris
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1939 - 2012-04-09 09:43:26 UTC
I've tried to find the dates the destroyer and battlecruiser skills will change to racial skills but can't find anything. Does anyone know?
AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#1940 - 2012-04-09 12:28:37 UTC
mhm

Make racial BC skill 1x then and reimburse the original... problem solved...

I.