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Veryez you are just beying stupid. For a start, you will not need to have destroyer 4 to fly cruiser / BC / BS / Capitals. You will just need destroyer 4 so you can learn (inject) cruiser skill. Same as it is now with the prerequisites. To actually fly a ship you need just that primar/secundar/tercial skill not theyrs prerequisites. I didnt bother reading the rest of yours rant. Please, be so kind and biomass yourself. Thank you.

It would seem entirely within their capability to make 1 change that negates having to give you anything you can't fly currently while leaving you able to fly what you can already. Just make the validation for the ship/item/skill/whatev only look at the actual prerequisite skill and not validate it's dependencies. At which point it wouldn't matter if you never trained "x" because it wasn't a prerequisite at the time. I don't know it that is possible, but I'm sure CCP has a way of dealing with it and wil do so to meet their stated goals, which include keeping people in what they trained for. And yes, new players won't be able to train as fast or reap the benefits of having 1 skill that affects 12 ships, but then, CCP stated that this was part of the issue with that skill.
If he's ever going to fly those races ships, the answer is clearly yes. Not sure why you have an issue with this. I see it as being no different than a change which revalues an item and speculators act to get in early and make the most profit on the change.
This is just nitpicking about word choices. Looking at both the options presented we get what we trained. There is no loss either way, which means that, as other have stated with expressions of greater certainty, that we aren't loosing capabilities from this change.
Between my characters there are 3 subcap ship types I cannot fly including T2 and T3. The rest I can fly in all 4 races. If the change happens as the options are stated all of my clones will balloon, but really, a direct measure of SP is pointless. All that matters is that our capabilities be retained. And that is what they are doing.

Command ships say hi. CCP Yitterbum says CS's keep their Racial BC V prereq. Why are people so intent on looking for conspiracies? They have given a plan, assurance that skills will be taken care of, prerequisites were explained and examples of how thet may do it, all of which keep their promises and not in a backhanded way.

You've missed something very important. It was explained in the dev post and has always worked like this, but you missed it anyway: Only the top of each prerequiste are actually required to fly a ship. If you have Caldari Battleship 1, you don't need Caldari Battlecruiser 4 to hop in a scorpion. You only need that if you want to inject the skill.

CCP's skill reimbursement could be this simple: Give everyone racial destroyers at whatever rank their destroyer skill was at, and racial battlecruiser at whatever their battlecruiser skill was at. Rank the skills appropriately so that new players don't have to train 4x as long to train the same ships, and they're done.

If they did this, you could still fly the same ships you do today, at precisely the same effectiveness you did before. You could still hop into all the ships you did before. If they neglect to add a direct frigate requirement for destroyers and a direct cruiser requirement for battlecruisers, this would allow you to fly some ships you could not before, but you would likely not possess any of the gunnery support skills necessary to use them properly anyway.

In the meantime, I suggest training Reading Comprehension. It's a really useful skill, even if a lot of noobs seem to ignore it.

It never fails to amuse me when people argue against balance, as though it were such a terrible thing that would just destroy the game somehow, someway...

Let me say right now that arguing that balance equates to homogenization is a weak assumption and a fallacy. A very common fallacy, one you see pretty often because a lot of devs are terrible at balancing, but a fallacy nonetheless.

For example: Sensor dampeners are blatantly inferior to ECM, but let's face it - they're the same bloody thing under a different title. They both try to prevent the target from being able to target anything, it's just that one changes the speed and range while the other kills it entirely. The fact that they serve the exact same purpose means that they're already homogenized regardless of their state of balance. If their numbers were "balanced" (which is to say, both were equally effective at preventing target lock), it'd be a largely cosmetic choice. The only "choice" these two can have between one another is, effectively, picking which is better than the other, full-stop.

Turrets, on the other hand - the numbers actually change your playstyle. Blasters, being point-blank range, require a different engagement style than ACs, which have insanely high falloff ranges, which require a slightly different style from pulse lasers, which have remarkably high optimals (and thus more reliable sustained DPS). Even if they were "balanced" they would be balanced from the standpoint that blasters would still be point-blank range, it'd just be worth the the trouble of getting into range in the first place. Lasers would still be the go-to option for reliable damage, while ACs would still be random as **** but have the versatility and damage potential to make up for it (though hopefully not to the extent they do now, which makes them a freakin' no-brainer on any ship without turret bonuses). That's not even considering things like cap drainage (lol, poor lasers), ammunition handling, damage types, fitting requirements, and so forth. Plenty of ways to asymmetrically design these things without giving into homogenization - they just have to actually be effective in their respective niches, not just throwaway designs because somebody forgot a 0 here and there.

Further, consider the Drake. Imagine, for a second, that the Ferox were actually as viable a choice as it. "BLASPHEMY!!!" Oh, please. The Ferox would still have a completely different role and playstyle from the Drake, it'd just be worth freakin' flying AT ALL in certain situations. Now, how do you make the other frigates as interesting and worthwhile as the Rifter? Tough call, but it can be done without just blanket-increasing every other ship's speed to keep up with it. Give one race more slots, give another more tank, give another the best sensors in the business (so they can be on-point faster than anyone else), suddenly you have reason to fly other kinds of frigates, and just buff the other Matari frigates. And believe it or not, this kind of asymmetrical setup can achieve balance. It'll take work, certainly, it'll take a lot of math and know-how, but it CAN happen.

And seriously, consider, just for a second, a world where you actually have a choice between all of the Matari frigates because they're all reasonably effective in some way or form. Why is that such a terrible, horrible thing? Are you literally incapable of comprehending the idea that they are STILL all specialized in a particular role while simultaneously being viable because they don't have crippling fitting or slot weaknesses, questionable tank numbers, or are just gimped for no reason at all (lol tiers)? I should hope not.

And the idea that it shouldn't be attempted at all just because it has been done wrong in the past is pure bull hockey. Just giving up on the attempt because it's difficult would just lead to stagnation, and really, are you going to tell all the Gallente enthusiasts out there that they don't deserve to have viable PvP ships? What kind of foolishness is that? An entire race, useless because some folks think that it somehow ADDS FLAVOR (LOLWUT) when a race is gimped beyond all measure? Man, seriously, think about that for a second. Do you really wanna be one of those people?

Balance is death.
May as well remove all shjps in game and just hand everyone yor not so new starter ships.
I find it harder to login these days and play with how much is changing and becomming a game a 12 year old can
play.

When is this BC and Desi 'factionalization' supposed to occur?

So to clarify your devblog.

If you currently have in-game assets in the nature of multiple, racial destroyers, interdictors, battlecruisers, or command ships, you are totally screwed.

Because when this is done, you have to choose which one racial ship you want access to now, and then plan to train (up to) an additional 6,144,000 skill points at x2 and x6 to unlock ships you may already own.

Which translates (based on an available remap to per/wil) about FIVE MONTHS of retraining.


Don't the forget gunnery/missile/Shield/armor skills.
I count at least 15 mil SP related to race specifical weapons and support skills to actually fly all 4 races with T2 weapons.
I have all those skills just because i can fly multiple race's.
So this is not only related to the ship commands skills but all lot of others as well.


Pls get a solution to this mess,
bcs after the patch I still want to fly a Claymore, Vulture, Absolution, Drake, Hurricane, Harbinger with skills to 5.



The easiest solution is get rid finally of racial shipskills, and get the ranks of these skills increased.

please, please, please do ti.

Rebalancing CCP, one dev at a time....
In the next update CCP Ytterbium shall be rebalanced to CCP Ytterrible and the letters 'u' & 'm' will be reimbursed to him.