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More to the point, just because the bonuses that a ship has may more reflect it's new role (which is what was being discussed) it in no way means that you can't ignore it, tweak it, take advantage of it to the max, or completely screw it up just as much then as you can now.

Also, you forgot Drake Loaf.

I loved that movie!!!

But even Clint had to train Russian Experimental Thought Controlled Jet 1 to get it off the ground.

the proposed capital ship skill requirement change is insane, caps should be HARDER to get into not easier ffs!

At this stage, basically, a good dev blog. Respect to CCP for actually having the balls to tackle this and finally get rid of the tier system
My only fears
1. BS V should be a pre req for Caps, as should Freighter V for a Jump Freighter

2. EVE is fun because ships at the moment have flexibility in their use (in the way players make use of slots)...please don't shoe horn ships into a specific role so far, that flexibility is lost. I.E. You give us the Eos, as a Command Ship - it suck balls as it stands and is useless as a Command Ship, but as a PVP ship it's OK....expensive, but OK. BTW - when are us Gallente going to get a CS that can actually give useful bonuses?

3. CCP are known for half finished ideas in the past...CCP need to carry this one through to the end. A half finished idea like this could mean the end

4. Screwing up ship balancing, although it could be said, it couldn't be more screwed then it is now!

As I said though, respect to CCP, I have faith that they can pull this off, after the recent wind of change that blew through their offices.

This part of the blog didn't seem accurate to me



Aren't logistic cruisers, carriers, and super carriers considered support vessels themselves? If so where do they fit in this scheme? They certainly don't have "poor defensives" as logistic cruisers have super resist, carriers have huge EHP, and super carriers have uber-massive EHP.

If those ships above are "support" then why are theire stats as "support" so uber tanking, and yet the other support (damps, tracking distruption, jamming) so fragile? Its not consistent.

Also, if a support vessel is made fragile (like EWAR), then doesn't that realistically mean that the support will be nothing really more than cannon fodder in each battle, first primary, and always the first to be insta-popped?

Also...true to life "logistic support" are armed and armored ships that supply ammo and supplies rather than the current *healers* which eve has labeled "logistics". Eve's "logistics" is really no more than the "healer class" that most MMOs have. Will there ever be a vessel that serves true *logistics" role in that it will be armed and have the role of fleet replenishment in terms of cap charges, missiles, ammo, and jump fuel? If not, why not? (Its a classic battle doctrine as old as war itself.)

yk

I certainly don't disagree that eve is old. But giving it a face lift to look like WoW is stupid.

I would like to point out, that if you drop the requiments for Tech 1 ships to level 4 then technically Freighter is also tech 1 ship while jump freighter is T2 counterpart of a Freighter. So training time for freighter would be rather short (industrial 4) while training time for Jump Freighter would be relatively long (Freighter 5).

As far as ship re-balance and juggling with all the skills goes I'm not particularly happy with it and have to think about it. Especially the skills part as I spent long time training these skills a long time ago before remaps were in game. And ofc the issue that my alts would lose access to all races command ships and would have to re train (spending more SP for getting the same capabilities as they have now, as far as I understand). But overall the idea is still fresh - have to think about it.

This is the thread for discussing the dev blog and possible ship roles, before those poor example roles end up coded into the game by someone "just testing" :)

There should be more discussion about ship roles, less about skill points.

If the Dev teams believes that a ship that is easily going to serve the role of both super tank and super healer simulataneously is not going to be rampantly proliferating, then it has not been paying attention to what the community has been saying about capitals and super capitals. I would be in favor of making the capitals less accessible than what your proposing because look what they truly represent. Lets look at the current ships of Eve in terms of their practical game design.

Most MMOs have the group roles:
-Damage dealers (both short range and long range)
-Controllers (status effects)
-Tank

Eve's unique in its group-roles are:
-Any cruiser, BC, BShip, or dreadnaught = Damage dealers both short range and long range
-EWAR, interceptors, interdictors = Controllers
-Logistics = healer
-Carriers = combined healer and tank
-Super Carriers = combined super healer and super tank

When the Dev team introduced Carriers and Super Carriers, it introduced a strange, weird, and IMHO unnecessary platform into the fleet for which there still isn't a lot of reason why its so imbalanced that it serves multiple, simulatenous roles. Such a class will become even more viral-like if its so easily trained for.

yk

I would like to see more development of "experimental" ship types such as the arbitrator which uses non-racial weapon systems, but not at the expense of the specialists. Thus it might make sense for Angel Cartel to have a Dominix-alike to parallel the Rattlesnake, but not the Amarr, Blood Raisers or Sanshas.