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Yes, but... it opens up some interesting side effects. "New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones"

BC is a rank 6 skill. The new system would suddenly give you 4 rank 6 skills. Which means that everyone should be training the generic destroyer and battlecruiser ship skills right now to take advantage of this One Time Quadruple Training Speed Special Offer!*

* User is solely responsible for any increase in clone replacement/upgrade costs.

Due to the way nested requirements work, it would also mean pilots would not need to re-train anything to fly Battleships or Cruisers

Looks like the drake nerf will happen after all.







The fact that the Drake had the best defense and average DPS was the entire point. Now they will just be alpha bait. And never used considering that FCs are going to be preferring insta long range anyway.

With the increased DPS inside Lvl4s these days noobs will yet again lose access to stuff that will keep them in the game.

Kill it with FIRE.


You're going to stick all those people in null with ships they can't fly until they retrain? Think about the poor fools in Wspace. You can either A) Drop your points and regain caine at lvl 5 or B) drop your points and be able to fly the only ship you have in system, a drake. Are you insane?! Good lord, did you run this pas the CSM?

Balance the ships, but can who ever came up with the subdivision of bc and cruiser skills.

I'm concerned with the fact that this would screw those of us who've progressed directly from frigate to cruiser training. Up until 3-4 months ago I didn't have destroyers trained and I was already flying in battleship-class vessels.

These changes would mean an extremely huge nerf to nullsec PVP and severely disrupt fleet ops as major retraining would be needed, especially for toons under 2 years of age.

Cross-training at present point in time is relatively easy and not so much time consuming. However, with the changes, you're going to rickroll players' abilities to cross-train for other vessels.

In my instance, I can, at this moment in time... fly a Machariel, Vindi and Bhaalgorn. With the changes to the skill trees, I will be locked out most if not all pirate faction vessels that I can currently fly and do own. So will other members from my corp. Which is not making anyone happy.

Then there's those of us with negligible SP in destroyers and battlecruisers. Are we going to be reimbursed with full SP to match our current ship skills to keep continuity or will we be forced change gears and spend even MORE time training destroyers IV and then BC IV to fly battleships AGAIN?

The biggest complaints people have is they fear having to train longer for roughly the same ships in the game. Meaning, to be proficient at the drake and the hurricane takes more time, significantly more time if you aim for BC V. I think many people are complaining because they don't want to "have to" put in the extra training, some people are complaining to get free sp, but very few people are actually focused on what issues this causes. The BC class of ships are one of the primary "cross-training" drivers. BC's are cheap and potent, and it is relatively easy to cross-train between races to quickly fly effectively. With these changes, cross training becomes significantly more time consuming, especially when trying to fly BC+ type ships with lvl V skills. This hurts new players that attempt to train into the standard fleet types, as their time-to-effectiveness is increased.

-- Realistically, HTFU people... The BC class of ships are extremely potent and brutal ships, and do you really think you deserve to so easily unlock the full potential of these ships with so little training? BC's easily go toe-to-toe with t2 cruisers, for much less skilltraining and cost. Moving the BC's to racial BC's is a very much needed step. Then their sp investment falls much more inline with their firepower and abilities.

-- CS pilots, like myself: It will be a PITA to train 4x Racial BC V to board our command ships again. At the same point in time, granting us all 4x Racial BC V off the bat is pretty over-the-top. We are vets, so a boon from CCP is nice, but realistically, we don't deserve getting 6m sp for the 1.5m we invested in BC V (maybe 3m ). The simple solution is to refund back the BC sps, and lower the CS prereq from BC V to BC IV. We could distribute our sp's to then fly all the command ships again, or we can invest them in a particular race to fly one CS very effectively.

-- The future: If there is a racial BC and Dessie skill, it really opens the door for additional BC and Dessie ships. So while you might feel like this is limiting the ships you can fly now, the writing on the wall suggests you will gain more ships to fly in the future. Even moreso, this blog is about changing current useless ships into potential useful combat ships. Suddenly ships like the Atron or Executioner can gain slots and fitting to become a viable combat ship.

IMO, this Dev Blog is nothing but win.... and people whining and bitching about how its unfair they can no longer fly a Hurricane, Drake, and Talos perfectly using the same moderately low-cost skill need to HTFU...

This is inherently new player UNFRIENDLY, as well as being excessively annoying for veteran players.

Skill points from trained skills which are removed should be reimposed and value of those skill books returned as isk. Players can then choose how to redistribute their points how they like. They don't even need to put them back to ship skills if they don't want.

It is likely that some won't be able to fly all racial variants after this before some additional training, but in the end this will be same for everyone.

I'm concerned with the fact that this would screw those of us who've progressed directly from frigate to cruiser training. Up until 3-4 months ago I didn't have destroyers trained and I was already flying in battleship-class vessels.

These changes would mean an extremely huge nerf to nullsec PVP and severely disrupt fleet ops as major retraining would be needed, especially for toons under 2 years of age.

Cross-training at present point in time is relatively easy and not so much time consuming. However, with the changes, you're going to rickroll players' abilities to cross-train for other vessels.

In my instance, I can, at this moment in time... fly a Machariel, Vindi and Bhaalgorn. With the changes to the skill trees, I will be locked out most if not all pirate faction vessels that I can currently fly and do own. So will other members from my corp. Which is not making anyone happy.

Then there's those of us with negligible SP in destroyers and battlecruisers. Are we going to be reimbursed with full SP to match our current ship skills to keep continuity or will we be forced change gears and spend even MORE time training destroyers IV and then BC IV to fly battleships AGAIN?