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Mass Effect 3: The good, the bad and the ugly.

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#121 - 2012-03-21 21:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Alpheias wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Forbes: Casey Hudson Responds to Mass Effect Ending Protests:

"This is Not the Last You'll Hear of Commander Shepard"

Looks like Bioware's gonna crack and give into the demands of Mass Effect fans. Big smile

On a side note, I just donated to the Retake campaign. It's getting a lot of publicity, and it's already at $65,000.


I believe it when I see it.


Its hard for them to turn a blind eye when over 60 thousand u s d (Sorry but my phones auto correct kept changing it to use) has already been donated to child's play.... to get them to change the ending of the game.

.......

Yes I know it doesn't make much sense, but there you have it.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2012-03-21 21:09:49 UTC
Almost $77,000 now. I donated to it the moment I heard about it. It's a brilliant idea - what are they gonna say? "**** all those sick children, we don't care what you all say!" It's like a guilt cannon. Big smile
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#123 - 2012-03-21 21:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Jada Maroo wrote:
Almost $77,000 now. I donated to it the moment I heard about it. It's a brilliant idea - what are they gonna say? "**** all those sick children, we don't care what you all say!" It's like a guilt cannon. Big smile


Well the moment that I saw it hit 10k I already figured bioware loses this fight. The fact that it went well beyond that was surprising.

CCP is reading this and going "oh man I hope our players don't get any bright ideas from this".
Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-03-22 00:26:17 UTC
Finished it last night.

I don't mind Shepard dying or nearly dying or any of the final three choices despite how little my choices effected the outcome.

I think if you did badly you should be stuck with these sacrifice choices but if you tried hard and got everyone you could to the end a victory could be possible.

That's by the by my main gripe is that despite everything for some reason you have to destroy all the mass relays and strand everyone on Earth and cut off the rest of the galaxy, where was my "and everyone lived in peace for a time thanks to Shepard ending" which also leaves the door open for future Mass Effect stories. This just seems to end the whole franchise.

Imagine the movie series ending like this!

...

Selinate
#125 - 2012-03-22 02:01:34 UTC
EA sold you a watered down piece of crap, and then tried to sell you DLC that made it not-so-much a watered down piece of crap? Who wudda thunk.

There's a reason I don't buy games from EA that don't have extensive 100% great reviews.
stoicfaux
#126 - 2012-03-22 02:22:03 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Almost $77,000 now. I donated to it the moment I heard about it. It's a brilliant idea - what are they gonna say? "**** all those sick children, we don't care what you all say!" It's like a guilt cannon. Big smile

If they really wanted EA's attention, they would have promised to donate the money in EA's name, so that EA could get the tax write off...

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#127 - 2012-03-22 02:22:34 UTC
I played the previous 2 games although not the third. I didn't even know it came out for a week. With all the brouhaha about the ending I did not chose to buy the game. I just watched the ending and I see where everyone is going with this. The ending is not bad, it's just not fitting.

Let me elaborate.

The ending felt more suited for a linear game like CoD or something. You didn't feel like the choices you made influenced anything. The ending was just.... it.

Also people are mad at the ending because it's the ending of the ME series and that makes them sad no matter what.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-03-22 03:00:28 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
I played the previous 2 games although not the third. I didn't even know it came out for a week. With all the brouhaha about the ending I did not chose to buy the game. I just watched the ending and I see where everyone is going with this. The ending is not bad, it's just not fitting.

Let me elaborate.

The ending felt more suited for a linear game like CoD or something. You didn't feel like the choices you made influenced anything. The ending was just.... it.

Also people are mad at the ending because it's the ending of the ME series and that makes them sad no matter what.


The ending needed a much greater level of elaboration to work, it raised more questions than it answered. Like what kind of apocalypse forced an ancient race into such an extreme solution? The level of technology that race had must have been extraordinary to begin with. What happened to the squad mates with you in London? Did the catalyst observe Sheppard throughout the whole thing? Surely it knew about the events during the first game, did it order Harbinger to try and obtain him? did he want Sheppard harvested to become a Reaper?

So many Questions, and then there are the plot holes.

Like the fact that the battle to earth probably did more damage to Earth than the Reapers did, according to the fluff starship mass accelerators hurl the projectiles with kilotons of force. All those thousands of missed shots would have incinerated the planet. I don't feel personally that the players choices where ignored in the end because many of the story arcs where settled during the game. Things like the Krogan and the Geth, many of the people that lived or died during the first two impacted somewhere along the game. Like the Cerberus invasion of the Citadel for example, if Thane didn't survive ME2 it was left to Captain Kirrahe to save the Salarian Councillor, if Kirrahe died on Virmire the Salarian Councillor dies.

I hated the way that all the EMS came down to was a number that decided the ending as well. It would have been great to see an ME2 style representation of the different units and resources you require, maybe you could have had Geth Primes show up during the conduit run or a group of Asari commandos help you protect the missile launchers. Little things like that would have made the end a lot better, like the way the ship upgrades worked in ME2.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#129 - 2012-03-22 05:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Benilopax wrote:
Finished it last night.

I don't mind Shepard dying or nearly dying or any of the final three choices despite how little my choices effected the outcome.

I think if you did badly you should be stuck with these sacrifice choices but if you tried hard and got everyone you could to the end a victory could be possible.

That's by the by my main gripe is that despite everything for some reason you have to destroy all the mass relays and strand everyone on Earth and cut off the rest of the galaxy, where was my "and everyone lived in peace for a time thanks to Shepard ending" which also leaves the door open for future Mass Effect stories. This just seems to end the whole franchise.

Imagine the movie series ending like this!


Very BSG'ish ending. ;)

I actually don't mind endings like that, if they are done well. In fact I didn't have much of an issue with the ending of ME3 for that matter.

What I did have an issue with, and can understand why other people feel this way, is in how it seemed like the ending was the same regardless of your actions... At least for the most part.

And that kind of stands in direct contrast to one of the reasons people loved the series the most, and what has been heralded even by Bioware as one of the revolutionary claim to fame features of the series.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#130 - 2012-03-22 15:56:42 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Woo! Big smile Bioware has officially announced: the ending will be changed!

The fans win!


They're not saying anything definite at all.
All I read between the lawyer talk is "Our fans are a bunch of jerks and we are awesome yet misunderstood artists" P and "More news in April".
I got to admire their willingness to pour oil on the fire. Twisted
From a business perspective way to go to alienate your fanbase Ugh
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2012-03-22 19:49:38 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:


They're not saying anything definite at all.
All I read between the lawyer talk is "Our fans are a bunch of jerks and we are awesome yet misunderstood artists" P and "More news in April".
I got to admire their willingness to pour oil on the fire. Twisted
From a business perspective way to go to alienate your fanbase Ugh


I don't think they can *not* fix it now, honestly. This has gone beyond the scale of even the monocle. It is... the Monocle Effect!
Reiisha
#132 - 2012-03-22 19:56:26 UTC
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc

I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.

If true, it IS a brilliant ending.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Reiisha
#133 - 2012-03-22 20:00:55 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Woo! Big smile Bioware has officially announced: the ending will be changed!

The fans win!


They're not saying anything definite at all.
All I read between the lawyer talk is "Our fans are a bunch of jerks and we are awesome yet misunderstood artists" P and "More news in April".
I got to admire their willingness to pour oil on the fire. Twisted
From a business perspective way to go to alienate your fanbase Ugh


IE: Ending DLC coming.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#134 - 2012-03-23 01:48:29 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc

I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.

If true, it IS a brilliant ending.


It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly.

I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot.
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2012-03-23 02:06:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc

I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.

If true, it IS a brilliant ending.


It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly.

I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot.


On the other hand, it could really be a dose of fridge brilliance.

This is also a good vid.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-03-23 04:51:56 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc

I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.

If true, it IS a brilliant ending.


It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly.

I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot.


The indoctrination theory is so sad, why where people so unable to accept that the ending sucked? Bioware might roll with it now in an attempt to mollify fans or sell DLC but I doubt it was ever intended from the start. The five stages of grief describe the butt hurt perfectly.

Buhtlica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2012-03-23 09:58:38 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc

I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.

If true, it IS a brilliant ending.


It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly.

I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot.


On the other hand, it could really be a dose of fridge brilliance.

This is also a good vid.


I have watched the video and also read this article and have to agree with you.

I have now changed my mind from 'this ending sucks' to 'brilliant!!'

Also, why the old man (Stargazer) at the very end says: One more story. Why would he say that if the game ended? Maybe because it's not really over. F***** epic!!!!
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2012-03-23 11:28:06 UTC
Roosterton wrote:


On the other hand, it could really be a dose of fridge brilliance.

This is also a good vid.


Mind = blown.

Shocked
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2012-03-23 16:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/topreasons/34653-me3-indoctrination-theory-a-dlc

I'm fully on the indoctrination theory train now.

If true, it IS a brilliant ending.


It is appaling that the end is so full of plotholes and filled with bad writing it is even possible to fabricate this theory and make it seem plausible, which I find faintly hilariously silly.

I'll laugh like hell when Bioware decides to run with it to save their ass, but I believe that that was not their intent at all, their plot ending was just terrible writing, like most of the DA2 plot.


The indoctrination theory is so sad, why where people so unable to accept that the ending sucked? Bioware might roll with it now in an attempt to mollify fans or sell DLC but I doubt it was ever intended from the start. The five stages of grief describe the butt hurt perfectly.



Or maybe we're just wise enough to not take everything so literally and actually give human intelligence the credit it deserves?

I'll admit that there's a lot about the indoctrination theory which could just be explained away as "bad writing," but there's some stuff which is completely undeniable.

1. After you shoot Anderson, you're bleeding in the same spot where you shot him.

2. When you wake up from getting hit with Harbinger's beam, you hear that "the entire force was decimated, nobody got to the beam." Why didn't the person saying that see Shepard?

3. The first time you see the kid, in a duct on Earth, when Shepard gets interrupted by Anderson and the boy disappears, a Reaper growl can be heard. In one of the books, it's explained that this noise occurs when a reaper indoctrination attempt is thwarted.

4. James hearing an unusual "hum" on the Normandy. This line of dialogue would be completely pointless if it wasn't a hint that there's some semblence of indoctrination going on.

5. The rachni queen talks about how "oily shadows" caused her people to become indoctrinated once again. Later on in Shepard's dreams of the burning kid, you can see shimmering black, oily shadows, and at the end of the game when you're talking with the Illusive man, there are clear black, shadowy lines on the edge of the screen.

6. Shep's eyes. If you pick either "control" or "synthesis" - the options which the reapers want you to pick - your eyes very clearly become like The Illusive Man's, and before that, Saren's, two indoctrinated people. On the other hand, in "destroy," where you defy the reapers, your eyes very clearly remain the same.

More astute gamers will also note that the final area on the Citadel is actually a mixture of the Cerberus base, the Collector base, and the Shadow Broker's lair, all things which could just be assembled from Shepard's memories.

Why would the writers include any of these things if the ending was meant to be taken literally? If you can explain these things, then sure, maybe the theory is just a bad attempt to grasp at straws and believe the ending was good. But don't go around calling all of us butthurt because we're able to see and interpret things that you can't.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#140 - 2012-03-23 16:15:55 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:
Roosterton wrote:


On the other hand, it could really be a dose of fridge brilliance.

This is also a good vid.


Mind = blown.

Shocked


That vid is awesome.