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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#1241 - 2014-01-22 01:46:44 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Particularly those passages which talk about distractions. Like chemical substances. Especially ones that affect your judgement and leave your mind lax. A bit like Vitoc does.


Agreed. The use of Vitoc merely shows that one has failed as a Holder.

A slave is one who serves God in chains. An Amarrian is one who serves God without the need for chains.

The entire point of Reclaiming was to turn the former into the latter.

The point of the Pax Amarria is to prove that Reclaiming can be done without violence or coercion.

Thus, Vitoc is nothing more than a shameful legacy of the past, and as such should be left firmly in the past by all decent Holders.

Due note: There are, of course exceptions. The worst criminal elements, the terrorists, the serial killers, the psychopaths, the sexual predators... those whom are truly beyond redemption; they, I feel, are fair game for Vitoc use, as there was little hope of them ever finding redemption by any means in but one mortal lifetime. In these special cases I feel that there is nothing lost in forsaking such souls to their ignoble fates. However, such use would fall directly under the purview of the Law as whole, and not that of any individual Holders per se.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1242 - 2014-01-22 01:59:44 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Particularly those passages which talk about distractions. Like chemical substances. Especially ones that affect your judgement and leave your mind lax. A bit like Vitoc does.


Agreed. The use of Vitoc merely shows that one has failed as a Holder.

A slave is one who serves God in chains. An Amarrian is one who serves God without the need for chains.

The entire point of Reclaiming was to turn the former into the latter.

The point of the Pax Amarria is to prove that Reclaiming can be done without violence or coercion.

Thus, Vitoc is nothing more than a shameful legacy of the past, and as such should be left firmly in the past by all decent Holders.

Due note: There are, of course exceptions. The worst criminal elements, the terrorists, the serial killers, the psychopaths, the sexual predators... those whom are truly beyond redemption; they, I feel, are fair game for Vitoc use, as there was little hope of them ever finding redemption by any means in but one mortal lifetime. In these special cases I feel that there is nothing lost in forsaking such souls to their ignoble fates. However, such use would fall directly under the purview of the Law as whole, and not that of any individual Holders per se.



I may be old fashioned, but I've always thought that unruly slaves deserve a slave collar, simply because it's quicker to disable someone with one than with Vitoc. I can't say I have much experience there, though. Slaves working in our church settings aren't exactly pressed to be unruly, considering the comparatively high standard of living. Most are only afraid they won't be eventually released into the House of Baracca and instead sold elsewhere, so they stay in line.

Like being a good employer, the best way to control a slave population is by making your house and your care a place they want to be.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#1243 - 2014-01-22 14:16:29 UTC
Rescue Report:

116.01.21 15:02 Ichiroh Hemphill 9 rescued
116.01.21 18:32 TSad Govah 22 Slaves, 2 Slavers rescued
116.01.21 21:52 Ka ahn 6 rescued
116.01.22 13:56 rAPblH 19 rescued

Reading and critiquing research proposals is the most difficult and time consuming part of my academic duties. Keep revising! Its too broad. Your method will not fit within the allotted time. And then, there, that's a good proposal. Get going on it. Don't get behind. Do some of it every day. Write your theory chapters sooner rather than later... I also need to assign second readers and tech readers to all the students submitting proposals... on and on...

I'm finding that I have to be more disciplined in these matters as the task of being a rescue pilot is beginning to dominate my time, motivation and thinking. I'm not sure, but perhaps a choice is ahead for me.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#1244 - 2014-01-22 18:56:01 UTC
There is some updated information that we were seeking regarding the possibility of opening a special residential center for disaffected Kameiras. I had asked the representative who first approached us for some kind of documentation as to reasons behind the disaffection and so forth. Today I received a communication along permission to share its contents here. The text is given below.

Quote:
Dear Ston,
Today, I took into shelter 2,800 Kameiras slated for medical inspection at the Gallente CreoDron Station in Bika. They were "hired" from an amarrian security firm by Further foodstuffs. The agent name is Olana Amirda and he is based in Vashkah. Below is the exact transcript of what he told me. Is this the documentation you are looking for?

I want these elite troops delivered to Bika V - Moon 1 - CreoDron Warehouse for inspection. We hired them recently from an Amarrian security firm to work as guards on our transport vessels. Standard procedure requires that they be inspected for any possible diseases or mental disorders before they're allowed on board.

I am currently sheltering thousands of these "disaffected" as you say. They are "pissed" is a better word. The medical treatments they receive in Gallente stations involve the standard protocol for debridement of open wounds and removal of foreign matter to prevent infection and scarring. This along with the fact that they are sent to a Gallente station for this treatment is anathema to them and their held beliefs. I suggest we set up an interview with some of their representatives so you can hear firsthand.

Sincerely,
(name withheld)


I asked some of our medical staff about standard debridement protocol and he confirmed what was indicated above. When I am able, I will plan to travel to one of the locations where Kameiras are currently being housed. We will try to get as much detail as possible before making a decision on opening a center.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Kelly Rabbit
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1245 - 2014-01-23 10:11:34 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:
There is some updated information that we were seeking regarding the possibility of opening a special residential center for disaffected Kameiras. I had asked the representative who first approached us for some kind of documentation as to reasons behind the disaffection and so forth. Today I received a communication along permission to share its contents here. The text is given below.

Quote:
Dear Ston,
Today, I took into shelter 2,800 Kameiras slated for medical inspection at the Gallente CreoDron Station in Bika. They were "hired" from an amarrian security firm by Further foodstuffs. The agent name is Olana Amirda and he is based in Vashkah. Below is the exact transcript of what he told me. Is this the documentation you are looking for?

I want these elite troops delivered to Bika V - Moon 1 - CreoDron Warehouse for inspection. We hired them recently from an Amarrian security firm to work as guards on our transport vessels. Standard procedure requires that they be inspected for any possible diseases or mental disorders before they're allowed on board.

I am currently sheltering thousands of these "disaffected" as you say. They are "pissed" is a better word. The medical treatments they receive in Gallente stations involve the standard protocol for debridement of open wounds and removal of foreign matter to prevent infection and scarring. This along with the fact that they are sent to a Gallente station for this treatment is anathema to them and their held beliefs. I suggest we set up an interview with some of their representatives so you can hear firsthand.

Sincerely,
(name withheld)


I asked some of our medical staff about standard debridement protocol and he confirmed what was indicated above. When I am able, I will plan to travel to one of the locations where Kameiras are currently being housed. We will try to get as much detail as possible before making a decision on opening a center.


These are most likely mercenaries trading on the name of the Kameiras. I'll say this again, Kameria units are not for hire. It's possible that some of them served in Kameira units and have since moved to mercenary work.
There is a corporation in the Empire known for this: Kameira Lodge. They are former Kameiras that now specialize in mercenary work.

Stop holding these people at once, return them to the Empire or their work place and no one gets hurt.

Better to die for the Empress than live for yourself.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1246 - 2014-01-23 13:40:18 UTC
Kelly Rabbit wrote:
Ston Momaki wrote:
There is some updated information that we were seeking regarding the possibility of opening a special residential center for disaffected Kameiras. I had asked the representative who first approached us for some kind of documentation as to reasons behind the disaffection and so forth. Today I received a communication along permission to share its contents here. The text is given below.

Quote:
Dear Ston,
Today, I took into shelter 2,800 Kameiras slated for medical inspection at the Gallente CreoDron Station in Bika. They were "hired" from an amarrian security firm by Further foodstuffs. The agent name is Olana Amirda and he is based in Vashkah. Below is the exact transcript of what he told me. Is this the documentation you are looking for?

I want these elite troops delivered to Bika V - Moon 1 - CreoDron Warehouse for inspection. We hired them recently from an Amarrian security firm to work as guards on our transport vessels. Standard procedure requires that they be inspected for any possible diseases or mental disorders before they're allowed on board.

I am currently sheltering thousands of these "disaffected" as you say. They are "pissed" is a better word. The medical treatments they receive in Gallente stations involve the standard protocol for debridement of open wounds and removal of foreign matter to prevent infection and scarring. This along with the fact that they are sent to a Gallente station for this treatment is anathema to them and their held beliefs. I suggest we set up an interview with some of their representatives so you can hear firsthand.

Sincerely,
(name withheld)


I asked some of our medical staff about standard debridement protocol and he confirmed what was indicated above. When I am able, I will plan to travel to one of the locations where Kameiras are currently being housed. We will try to get as much detail as possible before making a decision on opening a center.


These are most likely mercenaries trading on the name of the Kameiras. I'll say this again, Kameria units are not for hire. It's possible that some of them served in Kameira units and have since moved to mercenary work.
There is a corporation in the Empire known for this: Kameira Lodge. They are former Kameiras that now specialize in mercenary work.

Stop holding these people at once, return them to the Empire or their work place and no one gets hurt.


This is both true and casts a somewhat distressing light on the situation. Kameiras are part of a close and secretive brotherhood within the Empire. They aren't hired out as security guards, or for anything. They either exit service as freedmen or as corpses. It's part of their innate culture.

Which does beg the question of what they're doing being held somewhere apparently against their will.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#1247 - 2014-01-23 14:47:44 UTC
Kelly Rabbit wrote:

Stop holding these people at once, return them to the Empire or their work place and no one gets hurt.


Our organization is not sheltering these Kameiras, yet. The person in contact with us did not indicate that they were being held against their will. My understanding was that they had requested asylum. I will try to make that determination as soon as I can.

Also, Ms. Rabbit I do hope that you are not intending to do the "hurting" you refer to in your comment.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#1248 - 2014-01-23 16:16:50 UTC
Rescue Report:

116.01.20 19:11 Gustobuniculicertus 10
116.01.20 22:57 Neo Starscream Kaldorei 10
116.01.22 14:43 7 slaves, 4 slavers
116.01.23 16:04 Amirana Tohiro 6,

Sorry I got behind on my reports. THe third one has no pilot listed because the pilot was parked on the deathcan when I made the rescue. It looked like a trap so we were tense when we made the rescue and I didn't take the time to record the pilot name. We made the rescue without any problems anyway.

I'm always a bit amused when an Amarrian loyalist suddenly becomes concerned that people might be held against their will. Hmm. DSTON is not in the practice of holding anyone against his will. The exception might be those residing in our Yulai detention center. Known criminals, prisoners and slavers are held there. The main reason for this is our opposition to the death penalty and generational slavery. No one would be handed over to any other entity unless those punishments were off the table.

SANKOFA

Kelly Rabbit
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1249 - 2014-01-23 20:33:50 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:
Kelly Rabbit wrote:

Stop holding these people at once, return them to the Empire or their work place and no one gets hurt.


Our organization is not sheltering these Kameiras, yet. The person in contact with us did not indicate that they were being held against their will. My understanding was that they had requested asylum. I will try to make that determination as soon as I can.

Also, Ms. Rabbit I do hope that you are not intending to do the "hurting" you refer to in your comment.

Clears that up then. Definitely not Kameiras. Kameiras do not request 'asylum,' nor would they ask anything from subhumans.

Better to die for the Empress than live for yourself.

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#1250 - 2014-01-24 00:29:22 UTC
The DSS Committere is moored in the Further Foodstuffs Food Packaging plant in Vashkah and my contact there has arranged a meeting between 70 representatives from the Kameiras and myself. I can confirm that there is a group of Kameiras on board the Committere right now. What I cannot yet confirm is the account of what happened with the agent here on Vashkah. I can count on one hand the number of mission agents I have spoken to; its just not something I do. My contact assured me that agents are quite corrupt and will exploit anyone, not just Kameiras. I have been invited to stay a while and find out first hand. There are many active agents here, but I don't have access to them all. However, I may stay a while and see what I can find out myself.

I have also found out that the agents here are also exploiting large numbers of homeless people. We are arranging the possibility of helping some of these people.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#1251 - 2014-01-24 00:46:22 UTC
Manwe Todako wrote:
I'm always a bit amused when an Amarrian loyalist suddenly becomes concerned that people might be held against their will.


Well ya know you can pick any nation's prison system and find thousands upon thousands of murderers, rapists, psychopaths etc all being held against their will. Would you like for us to release all of them into your little colony at an undisclosed time?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#1252 - 2014-01-24 01:03:05 UTC
Rescue Report:

116.01.22 20:38 HYTTI Aurilen 20 rescued
116.01.23 17:18 Alexander Yavanni 10 rescued
116.01.23 21:26 Xafanar Anthar 13 rescued

I'm tired and in the mood for chocolate.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Kelly Rabbit
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1253 - 2014-01-24 01:14:11 UTC
Ston Momaki wrote:
The DSS Committere is moored in the Further Foodstuffs Food Packaging plant in Vashkah and my contact there has arranged a meeting between 70 representatives from the Kameiras and myself. I can confirm that there is a group of Kameiras on board the Committere right now. What I cannot yet confirm is the account of what happened with the agent here on Vashkah. I can count on one hand the number of mission agents I have spoken to; its just not something I do. My contact assured me that agents are quite corrupt and will exploit anyone, not just Kameiras. I have been invited to stay a while and find out first hand. There are many active agents here, but I don't have access to them all. However, I may stay a while and see what I can find out myself.

I have also found out that the agents here are also exploiting large numbers of homeless people. We are arranging the possibility of helping some of these people.

If you want to give the homeless some blankets and soup, be my guest.
However, you are detaining Imperial citizens in Imperial space. Release them at once. The original contract between the agent and the capsuleer has been materially breached by the capsuleer and you have now moved into unlawful imprisonment.

Furthermore, your continued operations in the Empire are, prima facie, unlawful. I am sure that the MIO will be investigating your employees. Do not presume that your capsuleer immunity transfers to them as well.

Better to die for the Empress than live for yourself.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#1254 - 2014-01-24 03:27:27 UTC
Re-Enslavement Report:
2014.1.22 03:09 1 Slave

I have hit a dry spell. Perhaps the Disciples of Ston have out maneuvered me.

But perhaps I have found something in common with the Disciples, sort of. The other day, I assisted another pilot with a mission for the Caldari Navy to take down a Minmatar-run Pirate Radio station playing anti-megacorp propaganda. Among the wreckage I took POW two Freedom Fighters and ten Freed Slaves. Naturally, I want to tag all twelve as Slaves for SCC purposes and sell the criminals into slavery. Sadly, this is not possible, just as the Disciples of Ston want to (sinfully) untag Slaves and make them Freed Slaves.

Since I have little desire to take these twelve as my own slaves, summary execution may be the only option.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1255 - 2014-01-24 03:53:30 UTC
Kelly Rabbit wrote:
Ston Momaki wrote:
The DSS Committere is moored in the Further Foodstuffs Food Packaging plant in Vashkah and my contact there ha. arranged a meeting between 70 representatives from the Kameiras and myself. I can confirm that there is a group of Kameiras on board the Committere right now. What I cannot yet confirm is the account of what happened with the agent here on Vashkah. I can count on one hand the number of mission agents I have spoken to; its just not something I do. My contact assured me that agents are quite corrupt and will exploit anyone, not just Kameiras. I have been invited to stay a while and find out first hand. There are many active agents here, but I don't have access to them all. However, I may stay a while and see what I can find out myself.

I have also found out that the agents here are also exploiting large numbers of homeless people. We are arranging the possibility of helping some of these people.

If you want to give the homeless some blankets and soup, be my guest.
However, you are detaining Imperial citizens in Imperial space. Release them at once. The original contract between the agent and the capsuleer has been materially breached by the capsuleer and you have now moved into unlawful imprisonment.

Furthermore, your continued operations in the Empire are, prima facie, unlawful. I am sure that the MIO will be investigating your employees. Do not presume that your capsuleer immunity transfers to them as well.

Just to clarify, a capsuleers immunity, does, in fact, extend to anyone aboard their ships, or within their dock. CONCORD is the only option for an appeal. That, or outright destruction of the ship in question, is the option. It applies in the State as well. A corporate agent can stand at my door for days, and if I chose to ignore them, they basically have no recourse. Blame CONCORD for that one.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1256 - 2014-01-24 04:18:42 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Kelly Rabbit wrote:
Ston Momaki wrote:
The DSS Committere is moored in the Further Foodstuffs Food Packaging plant in Vashkah and my contact there ha. arranged a meeting between 70 representatives from the Kameiras and myself. I can confirm that there is a group of Kameiras on board the Committere right now. What I cannot yet confirm is the account of what happened with the agent here on Vashkah. I can count on one hand the number of mission agents I have spoken to; its just not something I do. My contact assured me that agents are quite corrupt and will exploit anyone, not just Kameiras. I have been invited to stay a while and find out first hand. There are many active agents here, but I don't have access to them all. However, I may stay a while and see what I can find out myself.

I have also found out that the agents here are also exploiting large numbers of homeless people. We are arranging the possibility of helping some of these people.

If you want to give the homeless some blankets and soup, be my guest.
However, you are detaining Imperial citizens in Imperial space. Release them at once. The original contract between the agent and the capsuleer has been materially breached by the capsuleer and you have now moved into unlawful imprisonment.

Furthermore, your continued operations in the Empire are, prima facie, unlawful. I am sure that the MIO will be investigating your employees. Do not presume that your capsuleer immunity transfers to them as well.

Just to clarify, a capsuleers immunity, does, in fact, extend to anyone aboard their ships, or within their dock. CONCORD is the only option for an appeal. That, or outright destruction of the ship in question, is the option. It applies in the State as well. A corporate agent can stand at my door for days, and if I chose to ignore them, they basically have no recourse. Blame CONCORD for that one.


I think she's more concerned that Kameiras would be held unlawfully, where transporting them against their will and their mandate would be every bit as illegal as if I'd flown to Hek, held a few people against their will, and flown them back to my space. Especially if I'd picked up those people to essentially transport them to a job.

This may all be nothing. I ended up with a few Republican troops that were in a cargo container after their troop ship was destroyed. I had them essentially living in my hanger for a few days until I could figure out what to do with them. Eventually, law enforcement officials came to remove them, but I had quite a few marines essentially in my care in the meantime. There wasn't much I could do save to provide them food and wait, I couldn't repatriate soldiers that had penetrated that far into our space for malicious purposes and I couldn't very well blow them through the lock.

One of those strange quirks of being a capsuleer, I suppose.

In any case, I'm not sure that's likely to happen to Kameiras; the Empire doesn't exactly loan them out. They're rather expensive to train and outfit, if nothing else. Some are freed and do become mercenaries, in which case they are free to travel wherever they'd like, though most stay until they die fighting. I've met a bare few in my lifetime (our paths don't often cross), and they are precisely what you would expect someone with Matari ferocity and a paladin's zeal would be like. Let's just say that if an agent decided to double-cross them for some reason, you wouldn't find them lounging on a ship waiting for help. You'd find pieces of the agent and his handwritten confession exonerating his soldiery.

I know I would certainly be forthright with them. One of those few occasions I met them, ten had been inserted onto a planet and essentially wiped out an entire Sansha barracks. If you think they were abandoned by an agent, turn them loose in the station and point them in the right direction. You'll have your answers within an hour.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Kelly Rabbit
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1257 - 2014-01-24 04:19:21 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:

Just to clarify, a capsuleers immunity, does, in fact, extend to anyone aboard their ships, or within their dock. CONCORD is the only option for an appeal. That, or outright destruction of the ship in question, is the option. It applies in the State as well. A corporate agent can stand at my door for days, and if I chose to ignore them, they basically have no recourse. Blame CONCORD for that one.

I'm speaking of these so-called 'matriculation centers' they have set up in the Empire. Those are subject to Imperial jurisdiction.

Better to die for the Empress than live for yourself.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1258 - 2014-01-24 04:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Saya Ishikari
Kelly Rabbit wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:

Just to clarify, a capsuleers immunity, does, in fact, extend to anyone aboard their ships, or within their dock. CONCORD is the only option for an appeal. That, or outright destruction of the ship in question, is the option. It applies in the State as well. A corporate agent can stand at my door for days, and if I chose to ignore them, they basically have no recourse. Blame CONCORD for that one.

I'm speaking of these so-called 'matriculation centers' they have set up in the Empire. Those are subject to Imperial jurisdiction.

Ah. I appreciate the clarification. If they are outside of his CONCORD recognized boundaries, then yes, they are. As for transport against their will, i couldn't begin to surmise weather they were or not. That's a matter for consideration well above my pay grade... Though the suggestion regarding the agent might prove useful.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1259 - 2014-01-24 04:28:43 UTC
Kelly Rabbit wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:

Just to clarify, a capsuleers immunity, does, in fact, extend to anyone aboard their ships, or within their dock. CONCORD is the only option for an appeal. That, or outright destruction of the ship in question, is the option. It applies in the State as well. A corporate agent can stand at my door for days, and if I chose to ignore them, they basically have no recourse. Blame CONCORD for that one.

I'm speaking of these so-called 'matriculation centers' they have set up in the Empire. Those are subject to Imperial jurisdiction.


I'm sure, as assets in Imperial space, they're monitored to be compliant with Imperial law. As far as I'm aware, Ston's group aren't flying around firing on homesteads to free the slaves, they're a non-violent order. They're better known for picking up slaves that have been ejected at gates, which would otherwise eventually die of oxygen deprivation. Essentially, if you count a slave as legal property, they're simply picking up jetsam.

I believe their stated purpose in Amarrian space is to provide new freedmen with skills training if their prior masters did not provide it and to work in humanitarian ventures. If they stick to those, I'd say they are welcome in our space. I'd never tell someone on a humanitarian mission to leave. If they are really breaking Imperial law, I'll assume the Privy Council will find out before we do.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Kelly Rabbit
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1260 - 2014-01-24 04:35:11 UTC
Imperial law views slaves as the property of their masters regardless of the location, until legally freed by their holder. So, if DSTON picks up a slave in Imperial space and keeps it at one of their centers, that is violating civic law, conversion of chattels and criminal law: grand theft.
Otherwise, it might fall under illegal slaving.

Better to die for the Empress than live for yourself.