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Former Slaves Enter Matriculation Program

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Anslo
Scope Works
#1221 - 2014-01-18 03:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Nauplius wrote:
Re-Enslavement Report:
116.01.16 00:36 10 Elite Slaves
116.01.17 02:31 11 Slaves
116.01.17 23:45 46 Slaves

As usual, all standard slaves were Vitoc-ed, collared, and sold back into slavery.

I have decided to begin sending the following message to those pilots who jettison slaves. Amarrian Loyalists are welcome to evaluate it:



Pilot —

Having picked up 46 Slaves that you left to die at the Amarr-Caldari border, I am pleased that you have not only embraced the holy Amarrian custom of slavery, but also understand that it may be righteous and just to execute slaves in your possession. However, please be aware that there exists a vile corporation known as the Disciples of Ston who "rescue" jettisoned slaves; such slaves, ripped from the bosom of the holy Amarr Empire, have lost their chance at salvation and redemption and will face the wrath of a righteous and just Amarr God at the Judgement. I therefore suggest that should you have the need to execute slaves in the future, be sure to destroy the slave container after you have jettisoned it.

Amen. Amarr Victor.

— Nauplius, Divine Commodore, 24th Imperial Crusade

Right then. You're getting hunted down.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#1222 - 2014-01-18 07:35:08 UTC
Nauplius got shot down in Tzvi system very recently, someone collected some bounty.

The slaves I pulled from jettisoned canisters I took across the border to Federation space and provided networks to get them medical attention, and get them to their people. I'll take the risks.

Stick that in your afterburner, Nauplius.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#1223 - 2014-01-18 15:17:38 UTC
Rescue Report:
116.01.14 15:07 PETR DUDKIN 2,Silent Svarti 20
116.01.18 14:48 moosemann 32 (Ashokon)

DSTON is trying to decide where to moor the DSS Confiscat. We want to pick an area where there is both rescue activity and confiscation work and where the pilot can quickly change over from a rescue vessel when the need arises. It will likely be in the Niarja patrol areas as it sees more traffic than any of our other patrols. Neither Ston, not Tahrmal can yet pilot the Confiscat so I am in no hurry to put her into service.

Rescues are slow but regular in this patrol area. As I right this, I am waiting out the timer before resuming the circuit.

SANKOFA

Kelly Rabbit
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1224 - 2014-01-18 18:29:44 UTC
Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:
Rescue Report:

116.01.18 00:37 Evgency RCF 35 Slaves, 2 Slavers rescued

We are looking for information on the use of Kameiras not only by the Amarr but also by their allies and business partners. Any information would be helpful. Specifically, we seek information on how the Kameiras may be hired out in non-traditional ways. It is part of our investigation of the possibility of forming a community for disaffected Kameiras. We are approaching the possibility very carefully as this cultural group is unique and potentially dangerous. Thank you.


I would be happy to talk to you, in person, about the subject matter at hand.

Better to die for the Empress than live for yourself.

Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#1225 - 2014-01-19 14:37:34 UTC
Rescue Report:
116.01.19 13:59 Dok Drakus 10 Elite Slaves, 37 Slaves, 3 Slavers rescued

Ms. Rabbit,
Perhaps a conversation would be helpful. We have heard that certain elements have begun to see the Kameiras not as an elite, religiously dedicated fighting force dedicated to the Empire and against her enemies but as a commodity to be hired out even to those considered enemies of the Empire. It would help to know the official "do's and don'ts" of the way Kameiras are deployed. If there are kameiras who are disaffected it would be helpful to understand what would produce that condition.

I'll look for that opportunity for conversation or perhaps send you a com.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Kelly Rabbit
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1226 - 2014-01-19 20:05:49 UTC
Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:
Rescue Report:
116.01.19 13:59 Dok Drakus 10 Elite Slaves, 37 Slaves, 3 Slavers rescued

Ms. Rabbit,
Perhaps a conversation would be helpful. We have heard that certain elements have begun to see the Kameiras not as an elite, religiously dedicated fighting force dedicated to the Empire and against her enemies but as a commodity to be hired out even to those considered enemies of the Empire. It would help to know the official "do's and don'ts" of the way Kameiras are deployed. If there are kameiras who are disaffected it would be helpful to understand what would produce that condition.

I'll look for that opportunity for conversation or perhaps send you a com.


'Certain elements' have no clue what they are talking about. There are no disaffected Kameiras. That's all you need to know.

Better to die for the Empress than live for yourself.

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#1227 - 2014-01-19 23:22:26 UTC
Rescue Report:

116.01.18 20:02 Benne0001 4

Whether a rescue is big or small, we are most happy to make it. When it settles in to a rescued person, "I'm not going to die." and then, "these people are not going to harm me," hope begins to build in their spirits that is visible. We see that hope in the big rescues and in the small rescued like this one. Its part of why we do what we do.

Quote:
...That's all you need to know
Tahrmal, I could have guessed that would be the extent of any meaningful interaction on the subject. We need to extend our investigation into the interaction of Amarrian owned corporate interests in the State, Federation, and Republic and their interactions with State, Federation, and Republic owned corporate interests with regard to the use and contracting of Kameiras. I believe that there we will find some answers. Start with the any documentation provided by Ston's initial contact.

SANKOFA

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#1228 - 2014-01-20 01:46:58 UTC
Re-Enslavement Report:
2014.1.19 03:05 10 Slaves
2014.1.19 20:39 2 Slaves
2014.1.19 23:50 36 Slaves

Because Amarrian Loyalist organizations have accused the Disciples of Ston of theft for having taken slaves out of containers, I have decided to delay Vitoc-stuffing and Slave Collar-fitting until after pilots who jettison slaves have had a chance to respond to the mailing I send each one whose slaves I pickup.

For example, one pilot (whose name I withhold because unlike the Disciples of Ston, I have no desire to discourage slaveholding) replied with the following:

Quote:
Thank you for your concern. I should note I was in a rush and the Caldari state does not like slaves. Execution was out since i just had new carpet put in. Henc a trip to the nearest air lock. Unfortunatly the airlock automatically assumes i want that stuff in a container with air in it. Why is beyond me.


This pilot, at least, understands a basic truth that eludes many here on the IGS, even Amarrians: slaves are worth less than a carpet. Treat them as such. Along with the others in the Re-Enslavement report above, his slaves were stuffed full of Vitoc, fitted with replacement slave collars, and sold back into slavery. Amen. Amarr Victor.



Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#1229 - 2014-01-20 14:21:28 UTC
Rescue Report:

116.01.20 01:02 Hazzard Elevroa 20

I am logging this report while moored in a Core Complexion Station in Zoohen in Amarr Territory. For those unfamiliar, Core Complexion is a Minmatar Corporations, one of many operating in Amarr territory, apparently with the blessing of the Empire. The compliment is also true with Amarrian corporations operating freely in Republic space. What is also interesting is the cooperation between these different national corporations with each other. Commerce make strange bed-fellows. It is true, for example that a Minmatar corporation will sometimes provide medical services for an Amarrian corporation contracting capsuleer pilots to transport security guards, for example, to a Minmatar station for medical exams before they go on duty on board Amarrian transports.

I state this only to establish the reality of certain practices that are common. The point of it may come later.

SANKOFA

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#1230 - 2014-01-20 22:50:13 UTC
116.01.20 19:58 Reception Report: From NUVOS Resources for Freedom Fund, 109,184 former slaves. Resource: Ice mined in the Mandate.

A large group of new residents joined the community in Tanoo today through the Resources for Freedom project. Our work in the Mandate has potential to grow exponentially in the near future through this initiative. In this great company of newly freed people, I noticed individual faces shining out, each one distinguished from the other and each beaming forth the brightness of freedom. One only needs to visit one of the slave market once to understand the significance of what I am saying. And the Mandate is mild compared to the Kingdom in its scope of cruelty and inhumanity. Happy is a mild word to describe how we feel when we see these individuals and families step into freedom.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#1231 - 2014-01-21 02:44:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Nauplius wrote:
Amarr Victor.


Oh you captured a system in the warzone? Destroyed some TLF ships while you were at it? Because that's what the 24th does for a living, right?

Seriously, take a look at the map. Barbarians are at the gates. Your kinsmen need you over there fighting the TLF far more than they need you slinking around and screwing with a bunch of monks. Hop to it, man!

Ston Momaki wrote:
A large group of new residents joined the community in Tanoo today through the Resources for Freedom project. Our work in the Mandate has potential to grow exponentially in the near future through this initiative. In this great company of newly freed people, I noticed individual faces shining out, each one distinguished from the other and each beaming forth the brightness of freedom. One only needs to visit one of the slave market once to understand the significance of what I am saying. And the Mandate is mild compared to the Kingdom in its scope of cruelty and inhumanity. Happy is a mild word to describe how we feel when we see these individuals and families step into freedom.


Glad to see you here, Ston. Yeah, the Mandate is a bit more liberal than than the Empire itself. Mostly because we joined the Amarr of our own free will, so our very existence is proof that shackles aren't always needed to become closer to God. That's why the motto here is that being Amarrian is an act of Faith, not a bloodline.

Slaves in the Mandate - those that remain - are far more likely to just be criminals, psychos, POWs and other lowlifes... at least compared to the more traditional "hereditary" system seen back in the Empire core worlds (which frankly makes no sense to me - if they haven't become enlightened by now then it's time to just give up and send them back to their barbarian kin). It's basically our prison/rehabilitation system.

Never hung out in the Kingdom much. Is it really that bad?

Also: How's the new ship working out?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Amber Patoria
Division 13
#1232 - 2014-01-21 02:48:59 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Re-Enslavement Report:
2014.1.19 03:05 10 Slaves
2014.1.19 20:39 2 Slaves
2014.1.19 23:50 36 Slaves

Because Amarrian Loyalist organizations have accused the Disciples of Ston of theft for having taken slaves out of containers, I have decided to delay Vitoc-stuffing and Slave Collar-fitting until after pilots who jettison slaves have had a chance to respond to the mailing I send each one whose slaves I pickup.

For example, one pilot (whose name I withhold because unlike the Disciples of Ston, I have no desire to discourage slaveholding) replied with the following:

Quote:
Thank you for your concern. I should note I was in a rush and the Caldari state does not like slaves. Execution was out since i just had new carpet put in. Henc a trip to the nearest air lock. Unfortunatly the airlock automatically assumes i want that stuff in a container with air in it. Why is beyond me.


This pilot, at least, understands a basic truth that eludes many here on the IGS, even Amarrians: slaves are worth less than a carpet. Treat them as such. Along with the others in the Re-Enslavement report above, his slaves were stuffed full of Vitoc, fitted with replacement slave collars, and sold back into slavery. Amen. Amarr Victor.




Disgusting.

Ever thought about making your own IGS thread to report your silly games in?

Or don't you think you'd have an audience? Maybe that's why you try to derail the work of Mr Momaki, riding his coat-tails for exposure?

Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.

Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?

loĸι

Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#1233 - 2014-01-21 13:46:08 UTC
Rescue Report:

116.01.20 15:18 Jedric Moxley 10 rescued
116.01.20 22:17 biggerdigger 53 rescued, Freakthegod (48 slaves, 10 hounds, 2 slavers) rescued

Before I began active patrol work, I was warned by Ston of a certain emotional phenomena that happens at a point in the work. It is when the focus, adrenaline, and newness fades for that one moment and a kind of despair creeps in. It is the realization that the few we rescue are so few in comparison to the millions we don't rescue and the millions of people dying in war, of poverty, in famine. Hidden and forgotten, people suffer and die. Few ever reach the attention of those of us with the wealth and power to help. I was told that when I began to feel this way to say out loud, "The few we help are always worth helping; they are always worth helping."

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1234 - 2014-01-21 15:14:36 UTC
Amber Patoria wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Re-Enslavement Report:
2014.1.19 03:05 10 Slaves
2014.1.19 20:39 2 Slaves
2014.1.19 23:50 36 Slaves

Because Amarrian Loyalist organizations have accused the Disciples of Ston of theft for having taken slaves out of containers, I have decided to delay Vitoc-stuffing and Slave Collar-fitting until after pilots who jettison slaves have had a chance to respond to the mailing I send each one whose slaves I pickup.

For example, one pilot (whose name I withhold because unlike the Disciples of Ston, I have no desire to discourage slaveholding) replied with the following:

Quote:
Thank you for your concern. I should note I was in a rush and the Caldari state does not like slaves. Execution was out since i just had new carpet put in. Henc a trip to the nearest air lock. Unfortunatly the airlock automatically assumes i want that stuff in a container with air in it. Why is beyond me.


This pilot, at least, understands a basic truth that eludes many here on the IGS, even Amarrians: slaves are worth less than a carpet. Treat them as such. Along with the others in the Re-Enslavement report above, his slaves were stuffed full of Vitoc, fitted with replacement slave collars, and sold back into slavery. Amen. Amarr Victor.




Disgusting.

Ever thought about making your own IGS thread to report your silly games in?

Or don't you think you'd have an audience? Maybe that's why you try to derail the work of Mr Momaki, riding his coat-tails for exposure?


We're not entirely sure that Nauplius isn't an emancipationalist trying to bring attention to his cause by performance art.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#1235 - 2014-01-21 17:16:00 UTC
Re-Enslavement Report:
2014.1.21 04:15 46 Slaves (Vitoc-ed, collared, sold back into slavery)

Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:

Before I began active patrol work, I was warned by Ston of a certain emotional phenomena that happens at a point in the work. It is when the focus, adrenaline, and newness fades for that one moment and a kind of despair creeps in. It is the realization that the few we rescue are so few in comparison to the millions we don't rescue and the millions of people dying in war, of poverty, in famine. Hidden and forgotten, people suffer and die. Few ever reach the attention of those of us with the wealth and power to help. I was told that when I began to feel this way to say out loud, "The few we help are always worth helping; they are always worth helping."


Indeed, giving up now would be the most rational decision you could ever make. The Minmatar, the Gallente, the Jove, the Sleepers, the Talocan, the Terrans: if you want a picture of the future, imagine an Amarrian hand stuffing Vitoc down a slave's throat — forever.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#1236 - 2014-01-21 17:24:05 UTC
Amber Patoria wrote:

Disgusting.

Ever thought about making your own IGS thread to report your silly games in?

Or don't you think you'd have an audience? Maybe that's why you try to derail the work of Mr Momaki, riding his coat-tails for exposure?


In the past, the IGS became irritated when large numbers of Ston-related threads dominated the forum. I have therefore confined my Re-Enslavement reporting to this thread.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1237 - 2014-01-21 17:27:51 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Re-Enslavement Report:
2014.1.21 04:15 46 Slaves (Vitoc-ed, collared, sold back into slavery)

Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:

Before I began active patrol work, I was warned by Ston of a certain emotional phenomena that happens at a point in the work. It is when the focus, adrenaline, and newness fades for that one moment and a kind of despair creeps in. It is the realization that the few we rescue are so few in comparison to the millions we don't rescue and the millions of people dying in war, of poverty, in famine. Hidden and forgotten, people suffer and die. Few ever reach the attention of those of us with the wealth and power to help. I was told that when I began to feel this way to say out loud, "The few we help are always worth helping; they are always worth helping."


Indeed, giving up now would be the most rational decision you could ever make. The Minmatar, the Gallente, the Jove, the Sleepers, the Talocan, the Terrans: if you want a picture of the future, imagine an Amarrian hand stuffing Vitoc down a slave's throat — forever.


At this point, it is apparent you are either a Minmater or Gallente plant or troll (whether the purpose is to confuse the Amarr or to besmirch the Amarr in the eyes of others is besides the point). While I certainly defer to the theologians, Scipture does not reference that "future" but rather one of a consecrated and saved people, strong in both mind and spirit. Don't confuse one of the means with the ends.

"At the end of days when they descend
Watch for the coming of the Ark
For within it, salvation is carried"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 32:6

Within the blue ring of fire lies the final key of revelation.
Find this ring, my champion, and both mind and spirit shall be strong once more.’"
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#1238 - 2014-01-21 18:04:56 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:

At this point, it is apparent you are either a Minmater or Gallente plant or troll (whether the purpose is to confuse the Amarr or to besmirch the Amarr in the eyes of others is besides the point). While I certainly defer to the theologians, Scipture does not reference that "future" but rather one of a consecrated and saved people, strong in both mind and spirit. Don't confuse one of the means with the ends.

"At the end of days when they descend
Watch for the coming of the Ark
For within it, salvation is carried"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 32:6

Within the blue ring of fire lies the final key of revelation.
Find this ring, my champion, and both mind and spirit shall be strong once more.’"
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21


Beware of interpreting a single literary sentence designed to impress upon the Disciples of Ston the futility of their efforts as a teleology for the Amarr people. That said, I read the Salvation carried by the Ark not as some sort of sanctification of the Amarr but as a rescue from the destruction that God will bring upon the world at that time. As for the Book of Trials, I find a more plain reading of the text to be that it describes events that happened in the past, perhaps to a single individual; not a prophecy of future sanctification for us all.

I also believe slavery is to continue indefinitely, as the Scriptures say:
"As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea;
As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf;
Yet all under Heaven serve Me;
So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#1239 - 2014-01-21 21:10:21 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Also: How's the new ship working out?


The DSS Grimke' is perhaps one of the most aptly named and elegant vessels I have seen. I am a little embarrassed to admit that I do not yet have the skills to fly her. Also, I am somewhat afraid of wrecking her. All that said, the thought that went in to this gift is deeply felt and appreciated. When I do finally fly the Grimke' I'll do my best to do her justice.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1240 - 2014-01-21 23:48:54 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:

At this point, it is apparent you are either a Minmater or Gallente plant or troll (whether the purpose is to confuse the Amarr or to besmirch the Amarr in the eyes of others is besides the point). While I certainly defer to the theologians, Scipture does not reference that "future" but rather one of a consecrated and saved people, strong in both mind and spirit. Don't confuse one of the means with the ends.

"At the end of days when they descend
Watch for the coming of the Ark
For within it, salvation is carried"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 32:6

Within the blue ring of fire lies the final key of revelation.
Find this ring, my champion, and both mind and spirit shall be strong once more.’"
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21


Beware of interpreting a single literary sentence designed to impress upon the Disciples of Ston the futility of their efforts as a teleology for the Amarr people. That said, I read the Salvation carried by the Ark not as some sort of sanctification of the Amarr but as a rescue from the destruction that God will bring upon the world at that time. As for the Book of Trials, I find a more plain reading of the text to be that it describes events that happened in the past, perhaps to a single individual; not a prophecy of future sanctification for us all.

I also believe slavery is to continue indefinitely, as the Scriptures say:
"As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea;
As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf;
Yet all under Heaven serve Me;
So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21


I think that assumes that the Amarr are merely a race of people, as opposed to the collective followers of the Lord. We may have been first selected to carry His message, but all who follow the wisdom of the Word are of the Amarr. It is our task, as current Amarrians, to teach the Word and explain why it is wise.

Particularly those passages which talk about distractions. Like chemical substances. Especially ones that affect your judgement and leave your mind lax. A bit like Vitoc does.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26