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Amarr/Sansha Attempting to disrupt Ushra'Khan training operations in Geminate
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Ragnar STS
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#1 - 2012-02-29 07:53:47 UTC
The Ushra'Khan is indeed being reborn. We must be somewhat careful at this time, being weakened by years of fighting. We have worn out many of our best warriors. The Amarr gods see what we are doing, and they are afraid. They can see our new freedom fighter training camp in Geminate, and can do nothing about it. Indeed, working with the Sansha invaders and setting up an incursion is the best they can do. Working devilishly behind the scenes, doing anything to weaken the matar people.

We must rise up and protest. Protest with the highsec matar authorities to finally unveil the workings of the Amarr, Sansha, and their secret Concord underlings.

We will survive the incursion. We will survive the Amarr. We will rise again.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-02-29 09:51:55 UTC
Amarrians colluding with the Sansha?

That's a bold claim, and one which needs to be backed up with evidence.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2012-02-29 11:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
As a Matari, I would like to express my deep skepticism regarding these claims.

As a professional, I feel obligated to point out that any self respecting Amarr forgiving Sansha for allying with the Blood Raider Covenant is highly unlikely.

The Amarr are many things, but Toaster is not one of them. Unless of course you have proof otherwise?

**Vherokior **
Ragnar STS
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#4 - 2012-02-29 14:07:43 UTC
The Manalaz Investigation, while never producing any actionable concrete results, should still be capable of raising doubts in even the most deluded Amarr citizen.

I also would ask why nobody thinks it is weird that Concord does not properly pay for the destruction of sansha rats. It is like they are intentionally setting it up so that a pilot is intent on NOT killing every incursion ship, and allowing more reinforcements to come. Seriously...farming our cybernetically controlled and twisted brothers! Their poor bodies are pumping blood mixed with oil and electrolytes. They should be put out of their misery immediately and not farmed for their twisted and depraved technology modules.

Some say 'actionable intelligence' is that which is confirmed by a score. Higher points are awarded for 'trusted informers'. Some points are awarded for lower level informers that simply concur with said trusted informers. Some more points yet are awarded for other indicators. I prefer the ancient model of an oppressed people on the planet earth. I say that you can know more than you can prove.

Seriously. When was the last time that you smote somebody in highsec just for looking at you the wrong way? Remember how fast Concord was on you? Remember how you couldn't cloak or run away? Remember how you didn't kill any of the Concord...not even a frigate? Concord has substantial technical superiority. Some of it mirrors things done in secret, or gleaned from the Sansha nation themselves. Concord could easily crush the incursions if they wanted too...they simply choose not to. Nobody could ever argue (except the most deluded Amarr pigs) that 30 man fleet of Concord couldn't wipe the floor with the sansha invasion fleets. I'm sure Concord could muster a fleet of secret battleships, not to mention ultra-elite Concord logistics ships and ewar that could bring Supers to their knees.

Face it folks. Incursions are allowed to happen.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2012-02-29 14:33:54 UTC
So there's no evidence, and one could equally claim "Minmatar/Sansha attempting to disrupt x."

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-02-29 15:36:03 UTC
The Amarr would need modules capable of disabling cloaking devices in order to actually disrupt Ushra'Khan activities.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#7 - 2012-02-29 15:53:27 UTC
Nation colluding with the Amarrians?

That's a bold claim, and one which needs to be backed up with evidence.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-02-29 19:58:27 UTC
Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor. I used to have respect your organization but it seems obvious now that you will ally with whoever suits you at a given moment. How is the new home Red Alliance secured for you? For your sake you better hope your new masters do not retreat to Geminate in our wake. For we will pursue them wherever they run and you may find yourselves in need of new lodgings soon.
Deceiver's Voice
Molok Subclade
#9 - 2012-02-29 20:22:08 UTC
Ragnar STS:

CONCORD has no real authority to intervene against Sansha's Nation incursions. You, as a capsuleer, are perfectly within your rights to take action. I don't see the problem here, other than an attempt to pass on the obligation of protecting your own people to someone else, while at the same time casting rather dubious aspersions at your enemies.

Please correct me if this is wrong.
Thorvik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-02-29 20:33:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorvik
Calfis wrote:
Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor.


Nay.... This is far from the truth.

We once counted Against All Authorities as friends, brothers in Arms even. That day ended when the old leadership disappeared and your new leaders started charging us for helping you and thinking of us as pets. We are no one's pets, even RA.

I was there during the time where -A- allowed us to stay in F4R and help them patrol Catch and Providence. I was there when we were given (not renting) systems for our active part in supporting -A- operations. I was there when -A-, Ushra'Khan and friends took Providence.

I was also there when Against All Authorities retreated and left their friends to rot. I was there when -A- was charging for systems that they could neither support nor defend. You needed us, but you were more than willing to trade in your friendship for ISK.

You are not the warriors you once were, you are not the friends we fought with. Your organization has undergone upheaval and in it's place is now an empty shell of a lost glory.

You are young. The greatest battles happened as you were learning how to navigate and fire your weapons. Glorious battles in those days and we died honourably next to some of the greatest fighters that -A- had. They have left and what they left behind is starting to rot.

You speak of honour..... You don't even know what that means.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-01 01:59:44 UTC
These are always fun topics...

I sometimes wonder if some capsuleers have somehow programmed their implants to be unable to process their own speech or writing. It certainly would help explain why so many can come to the perfectly sound and logical conclusions that they do.

I'm not a psychologist by any measure, but I can't help but feel like pilot Ragnar might be suffering from some sort of persecution complex. There have been 5 incursions in my current home constellation in the past few months, so either Nation is specifically targetting me and I should be making fantastical claims across the IGS.... or it was all just coincidental.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#12 - 2012-03-01 06:08:12 UTC
Gosh, the Ushra-Khan sure sound threatening nowadays, what with a whole thread of whining about other people and how sneaky they probably are.

Fire a shot already.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-01 06:23:34 UTC
This isn't the Ushra'Khan I remember.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-01 07:29:00 UTC
Does someone else want to point out that Ragnar STS is wrong in every sence of the word regarding his whole argument or shall i do it.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#15 - 2012-03-01 10:28:08 UTC
The Amarr Empire joined the original alliance against Sansha's Nation. It helped bring Sansha's nightmare down then and is trying to now. While there are no doubt Sansha's agents in the Empire and some of his free minded supporters may be Amarrian this is the case in all the Empires.

I am no friend of the Empire, not on any level but I am a friend of truth and frankly extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#16 - 2012-03-01 11:24:13 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
This isn't the Ushra'Khan I remember.

This is not the Andreus Ixiris I used to know. The previous one had a sense of humor.
Aodha Khan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-01 12:07:57 UTC
Lay of the drugs if you truly believe this nonsense.

Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#18 - 2012-03-01 12:50:29 UTC
Keep the faith Raggy. Don't fret the haters.


Aodha Khan wrote:
Lay of the drugs if you truly believe this nonsense.


I haven't been high in weeks, yet this all still makes perfect sense to me. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Jamyl herself secretly throwin a big kinky toaster orgy. Bunch of horny robot people gettin all funky in the palace.
Ragnar STS
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#19 - 2012-03-01 15:30:21 UTC
Well then...while I am obviously no fan of the royals...I might actually buy video of this event. Much better than the lame propoganda that is usually published by the Amarr governement. Let me know when I can view it on eve-tube.

In the mean time, the Ushra'Khan are crushing the incursion, and all slave whoring capsuleers that are drawn to the area and the riches involved. We aren't here for the money, we just want to free slaves where we can, or destroy the functionality of those that oppress them.

Amarr pigs that have been brainwashed from birth always demand proof of claims. They think we can get behind the scenes video from inside station conference rooms or inside the enemy's bridge. That obviously can't be done. What can be done is put two and two together.
Concord captains listen to their Amarr overlords in a secret base. Amarr must be in control of secret stuff.
Ushra moves to Geminate for training, instant incursion. Somebody must have told the sansha forces we were here...dirty amarr pigs.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-03-01 15:39:32 UTC
Thorvik wrote:

Nay.... This is far from the truth.

We once counted Against All Authorities as friends, brothers in Arms even. That day ended when the old leadership disappeared and your new leaders started charging us for helping you and thinking of us as pets. We are no one's pets, even RA.


Your participation levels had fallen drastically to the point where your numbers were no longer making a tangible contribution to our fleets.

Thorvik wrote:

I was there during the time where -A- allowed us to stay in F4R and help them patrol Catch and Providence. I was there when we were given (not renting) systems for our active part in supporting -A- operations. I was there when -A-, Ushra'Khan and friends took Providence.


Hence where my previous respect for you was derived...

Thorvik wrote:

I was also there when Against All Authorities retreated and left their friends to rot. I was there when -A- was charging for systems that they could neither support nor defend. You needed us, but you were more than willing to trade in your friendship for ISK.


Orders were given to Against ALL Authorities and all good allies to redeploy to and continue the fight from the Stain Region, living out of Sansha space was "rough" but there were plenty of good friends willing to follow us through the rough times. Ushra'Khan was not one of them, instead you made a back door deal with Red Alliance to hold on to the space we had granted you in Omist. Instead of aid in the defense of Omist you shot at its defenders, had you simply left the coalition it would have been a different story, instead you sold your loyalty to whomever seemed to be winning at the time. You lost anyway when the brunt of our counter-offensive hit that region, a poor strategic choice indeed.

Thorvik wrote:

You are not the warriors you once were, you are not the friends we fought with. Your organization has undergone upheaval and in it's place is now an empty shell of a lost glory.

You are young. The greatest battles happened as you were learning how to navigate and fire your weapons. Glorious battles in those days and we died honourably next to some of the greatest fighters that -A- had. They have left and what they left behind is starting to rot.

You speak of honour..... You don't even know what that means.


Its amazing how empty shells can come back and blast you out of the sky. For an empty shell of an alliance we are doing quite well wouldn't you say so? Would you ask your new allies why they flee from an empty shell of an alliance? Why they refuse to give battle without the aid of mercenaries? Why said mercenaries lost so many super capital hulls recently to our shell fleets?

Quite the contrary, the greatest battles are now and you and all those who have chosen to leave will be missing out on all the new glory. Keep nursing at the glories of days past, they will not be realized for Ushra'Khan again.

As for honor, my old organization left the Southern Coalition but instead of backstabbing friends they transferred all their holdings to .-A-. and left as friends. I left said organization to join .-A-. and continue fighting our hated enemies. Don't you tell me what honor is, I have a better understanding of it than you.
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