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Amarr/Sansha Attempting to disrupt Ushra'Khan training operations in Geminate

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Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-03-01 18:28:09 UTC
Ragnar STS wrote:
Well then...while I am obviously no fan of the royals...

Ushra moves to Geminate for training, instant incursion. Somebody must have told the sansha forces we were here...dirty amarr pigs.



There we go, cut to the important parts. Based on your hatred for the Empire you see a connection that more than likely isn't there. Futher, isn't it more likely that the "sudden incursion on our new training area" implies you have a traitor working with Nation inside U'K.

It's certainly more plausible than Imperial forces not only watching your every move in intimate detail but also passing along the information to a third party that does indeed launch attacks within Imperial space.
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#22 - 2012-03-01 18:48:33 UTC
Calfis wrote:

Orders were given to Against ALL Authorities and all good allies to redeploy to and continue the fight from the Stain Region, living out of Sansha space was "rough" but there were plenty of good friends willing to follow us through the rough times. Ushra'Khan was not one of them, instead you made a back door deal with Red Alliance to hold on to the space we had granted you in Omist. Instead of aid in the defense of Omist you shot at its defenders, had you simply left the coalition it would have been a different story, instead you sold your loyalty to whomever seemed to be winning at the time. You lost anyway when the brunt of our counter-offensive hit that region, a poor strategic choice indeed.



After being reset without warning, repeatedly, by -A- after the fall of the Provi NIP, both U'K and -A- understood any future cooperation would merely be relationships of finance and convenience. I'm not quite sure why you keep forgetting that.

Now do you really want to get me started on this whole topic? I know sekrits that your people do not want revealed. I fancy myself an honorable guy, so I'll keep them to myself until you crackers annoy me enough.

Now maybe we should get back on topic. The one where Jamyl fornicates with a household appliance.
Calfis
Into the Ether
Out of the Blue.
#23 - 2012-03-01 20:13:23 UTC
Kazzzi wrote:

After being reset without warning, repeatedly, by -A- after the fall of the Provi NIP, both U'K and -A- understood any future cooperation would merely be relationships of finance and convenience. I'm not quite sure why you keep forgetting that.


A reset is hardly the same as consorting with the enemy, note that 0 standing is not the same as -5.0 standing. Flipping on the dime based on mere convenience was not something I expected of Ushra'Khan. I held it as an organization in much higher regard than the mere serfs in "Citizen" alliances that populate the sector, perhaps that was a mistake on my part.

I flew alongside a few U'K pilots while I was a member of Dirt Nap Squad, they seemed like good people so to find them suddenly on the other side firing at me felt a bit like a betrayal. Dirt Nap reset with .-A-. mutually recently, but they didn't come right back and shoot at the southern coalition the next day. There was a proper and respectable way to exit and Dirt Nap took that route without burning any bridges, U'K all but welcomed our enemies into Omist and helped them secure it. The very same enemies we have been fighting for months, you switched sides at a crucial time when the alliance holding the area was disbanded. How is one to interpret this as anything other than dishonorable and malicious?

Kazzzi wrote:

Now do you really want to get me started on this whole topic? I know sekrits that your people do not want revealed. I fancy myself an honorable guy, so I'll keep them to myself until you crackers annoy me enough.


I merely felt that U'K was misrepresenting itself and wanted to point that out. If you have a problem with that then thats tough. I don't really care what you think you know to be honest. But U'K's "training camps" in Geminate certainly have a background thats worth mentioning here.

Kazzzi wrote:
Now maybe we should get back on topic. The one where Jamyl fornicates with a household appliance.


I would like to see this Blink
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#24 - 2012-03-01 22:37:55 UTC
Calfis wrote:
Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor. I used to have respect your organization but it seems obvious now that you will ally with whoever suits you at a given moment.



Calfis wrote:
Thorvik wrote:

Nay.... This is far from the truth.

We once counted Against All Authorities as friends, brothers in Arms even. That day ended when the old leadership disappeared and your new leaders started charging us for helping you and thinking of us as pets. We are no one's pets, even RA.


Your participation levels had fallen drastically to the point where your numbers were no longer making a tangible contribution to our fleets.


So as our usefulness to you as allies waned, you came to see us as mere renters and attempted to charge us as such? Your own sense of loyalty was fleeting. I recall within a handful of months of our withdrawal from Providence your own alliance was on hand to endorse the ascension CVA's new executor as they began to return to Providence. We had fought them together but as we fell on a hard time you wasted none in switching your support to the side that best favoured your own ambitions.



Calfis wrote:
Orders were given to Against ALL Authorities and all good allies to redeploy to and continue the fight from the Stain Region, living out of Sansha space was "rough" but there were plenty of good friends willing to follow us through the rough times. Ushra'Khan was not one of them, instead you made a back door deal with Red Alliance to hold on to the space we had granted you in Omist. Instead of aid in the defense of Omist you shot at its defenders, had you simply left the coalition it would have been a different story, instead you sold your loyalty to whomever seemed to be winning at the time. You lost anyway when the brunt of our counter-offensive hit that region, a poor strategic choice indeed.


Yes, orders. There was little respect to be found in that rekindled relationship but a strong sense of empowerment on your part. We moved to Omist as guests of Imperial 0rder, and remained loyal to them until the day their alliance was disbanded from within. Omist fell in one night there was no attempt made to retake it for months afterwards. We were commanded to Stain by a distant and absentee voice that had shown little effort to wage its own war in some time. The war for us was already over with the bulk of our ships trapped inside now hostile stations and our pilots deep inside hostile space without support.

Our loyalty then was to Imperial 0rder, and they no longer existed. We made a new choice, and chose with the side that had not chosen to back Amarrian interests.

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#25 - 2012-03-01 23:37:40 UTC
Without wanting to wade into the waters of inter-alliance politics or internal alliance issues, this thread seems to be more about those matters rather than the actual topic brought up.

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Ragnar STS
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#26 - 2012-03-02 01:23:54 UTC
Aye. We are off topic. You can blame this douchebag:

Calfis wrote:
Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor. I used to have respect your organization but it seems obvious now that you will ally with whoever suits you at a given moment. How is the new home Red Alliance secured for you? For your sake you better hope your new masters do not retreat to Geminate in our wake. For we will pursue them wherever they run and you may find yourselves in need of new lodgings soon.



Seems AAA can't manage to honorably present themselves, or properly create their own topics with the [TROLL] tag.

That said...

I wonder if there is any kind of Terran research going on to recreate that super weapon. As concord is clearly not interested in using their technological advantage against the Sansha...maybe there are secret groups working on that magic bouncing blue ball of death.
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#27 - 2012-03-02 12:47:16 UTC
Calfis wrote:
I don't really care what you think you know


I know all about your fedo felching fetish and I have amateur video to prove it.

Would anyone like to see it?
Calfis
Into the Ether
Out of the Blue.
#28 - 2012-03-02 15:44:20 UTC
Ragnar STS wrote:
Aye. We are off topic. You can blame this douchebag:

Calfis wrote:
Meh! Ushra'Khan... turncoats with no honor. I used to have respect your organization but it seems obvious now that you will ally with whoever suits you at a given moment. How is the new home Red Alliance secured for you? For your sake you better hope your new masters do not retreat to Geminate in our wake. For we will pursue them wherever they run and you may find yourselves in need of new lodgings soon.



Seems AAA can't manage to honorably present themselves, or properly create their own topics with the [TROLL] tag.

That said...

I wonder if there is any kind of Terran research going on to recreate that super weapon. As concord is clearly not interested in using their technological advantage against the Sansha...maybe there are secret groups working on that magic bouncing blue ball of death.


See, if you all simply accepted my assessment of U'K we could have stayed on topic. So really the blame can be spread around Blink
Calfis
Into the Ether
Out of the Blue.
#29 - 2012-03-02 16:32:30 UTC
Well, since you chose to give points I might as well address them.

Ugleb wrote:

So as our usefulness to you as allies waned, you came to see us as mere renters and attempted to charge us as such? Your own sense of loyalty was fleeting. I recall within a handful of months of our withdrawal from Providence your own alliance was on hand to endorse the ascension CVA's new executor as they began to return to Providence. We had fought them together but as we fell on a hard time you wasted none in switching your support to the side that best favoured your own ambitions.


This is because we severely overestimated U'K's capability to hold Providence as CVA had held it for years. .-A-. needed a relatively stable buffer in Providence and U'K failed to rally the necessary leadership to maintain stability among the new alliances in the region. Make no mistake we were not there to free Providence from the grip of the Amarr Empire, that was just a nicety. Providence was burned because CVA struck at .-A-. and needed to be duly put back in their place in the intergalactic pecking order. No one was surprised by this and the great battles you all speak of were nothing more than turkey shoots. CVA offered no real challenge after the fall of D-GTMI.

Ugleb wrote:

Yes, orders. There was little respect to be found in that rekindled relationship but a strong sense of empowerment on your part. We moved to Omist as guests of Imperial 0rder, and remained loyal to them until the day their alliance was disbanded from within. Omist fell in one night there was no attempt made to retake it for months afterwards. We were commanded to Stain by a distant and absentee voice that had shown little effort to wage its own war in some time. The war for us was already over with the bulk of our ships trapped inside now hostile stations and our pilots deep inside hostile space without support.

Our loyalty then was to Imperial 0rder, and they no longer existed. We made a new choice, and chose with the side that had not chosen to back Amarrian interests.


This is has always been how .-A-. has operated I'm unsure why this was a surprise to your leadership. Who do you think granted Omist to Imperial 0rder? The defense of Omist was the responsibility of I0 and its guests, it is not .-A-. policy to hold vast stretches of space which is why regions are given to over to alliances that are seen as capable. When I0 was disbanded through an act of treachery there were attempts by the old leadership to reform the remnants and fight on (see Checkmate.), they certainly did not expect their guests to turn on them.

As for your charge that we did not do anything about Omist, you are wrong and you were impatient. Had you have followed us to our rallying point in Stain you would have comfortable access to all of your assets today. As you well know, shortly after regrouping we launched a sweeping offensive against multiple regions with the help of the good allies that had stuck by us through the rough times. The reconquest of Omist (which your organization was now fighting against) was completed largely by our good friends in Nulli Secunda and Red.Overlord as we simultaneously cut across Tenerifis. A few months of patience would have done U'K some good, we had a plan and a timetable for completing it.

As for Imperial 0rder, check the alliance history of The Dark Tribe, contrary to what is believed here .-A-. does not just abandon good allies.
StarCasher
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#30 - 2012-03-02 22:01:08 UTC
Calfis wrote:
Well, since you chose to give points I might as well address them.

Ugleb wrote:

So as our usefulness to you as allies waned, you came to see us as mere renters and attempted to charge us as such? Your own sense of loyalty was fleeting. I recall within a handful of months of our withdrawal from Providence your own alliance was on hand to endorse the ascension CVA's new executor as they began to return to Providence. We had fought them together but as we fell on a hard time you wasted none in switching your support to the side that best favoured your own ambitions.


This is because we severely overestimated U'K's capability to hold Providence as CVA had held it for years. .-A-. needed a relatively stable buffer in Providence and U'K failed to rally the necessary leadership to maintain stability among the new alliances in the region.


What a pile of crap!
UK was more than capable of holding Providence, however at the time you are talking about UK had every corp kicked and was effectively disbanded from within by a traitor working on Hydra's payroll.
This turned all our defences against us over night with all pilots unable to redock in the station holding our combat assets. Every tower turned red to us and our enemys were now using our own jump bridges to cut us off at every turn. Even normal methods of planning had to change as our enemys could now read our every move before we did it.
At the same time Hydra and friends rolled into provi and started turning UK defenses over to CVA.
Where were -A-? Totally unwilling to lend any kind of support forcing many of our corps to join friendly alliances while we regrouped as best we could.
This would kill most alliances but the heart of the Martari beats strong and it beats strongest in Ushra'Khan, our light may flicker but it will never go out!
Ragnar STS
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#31 - 2012-03-02 22:33:00 UTC
Aye...
At least 3 times -A- has failed to do...well...anything to support their allies. We owe them nothing.

Perhaps it is they who suggested the Sansha attack the training base...attempting to wipe away evidence of their sins.
Niding
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#32 - 2012-03-05 07:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Niding
Imagine my shock when I find myself agreeing with AAA with regards to this topic.

UK would never had a slice of sov in Providence if it hadnt been for AAA (and Southern Coalition)
kicking down Old Providence doors. The "fightclub" that was installed was weak and poorly led, and
was worn down slowly by CVA+friends until Ev0ke came to town guns blazing.
The nature of the "fightclub" had plenty of friction and as Calfis mentions, UK didnt have the leadership
structure or will to deal with that many entities in a NBSI setting. They lack(ed) the tenacity CVA had/have when
it comes to policing and diplomacy.

And AAA failing to help their allies/uk; is that reason enough to turn on them? Alot of CVA allies stood by
them even if they completely failed to repel the SC invasion. Some of them moved elsewhere for a while, but
never turned on their old friends.

To sum it up; AAA gave you 9uy back+Providence and you said thank you by biting your benefactors.
I got no love for AAA, but UK went from "noble warrior" to weathervaning scum in rather short time
and it was amusing to watch.
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#33 - 2012-03-05 08:39:44 UTC
All this talk of betrayal and not standing by allies seems to imply that UK has forgotten its mandate, and that mandate has always been "We come for our people". Coalitions come and go, enemies can become friends and friends become enemies but UK has NEVER forgotten the Matari People held captive and their duty to liberating those people. Coalitions are things that suite an agenda, and are forgotten to suite that agenda and do not forget that UK will always fulfill their mandate and duty to Minmatar.
Niding
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#34 - 2012-03-05 08:45:24 UTC
And how is that working out for you?

If backstabbing is what gets the job done, you should have conquered all of Amarr Empire and liberated all of
"your people" by now.
Calfis
Into the Ether
Out of the Blue.
#35 - 2012-03-05 15:30:40 UTC
Ragnar STS wrote:
Aye...
At least 3 times -A- has failed to do...well...anything to support their allies. We owe them nothing.

Perhaps it is they who suggested the Sansha attack the training base...attempting to wipe away evidence of their sins.


We handed you Providence on a silver platter, surely you did not expect us to also hold it for you. Throwing U'K and all those alliances in Providence was like a test to see if they would sink or swim. You failed the test, we are not in the business of propping up weak alliances.

Sure, anyone who disagrees with you must be sponsoring Sansha attacks against you. If .-A-. wanted to attack U'K we would do it ourselves and it would be a short and predictable campaign.
Equinox Daedalus
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#36 - 2012-03-05 19:42:13 UTC
I only wish that some day Ushra'Khan pilots will see the light and be baptized upon holy amarrian principles.

if not we will continue to baptize them upon holy amarrian lazor fire.

As to the topic at hand, well, UK are pretty much known around the galaxy for thier broad assumptions to give them any excuse to **** and pillage. I doubt this changes anything much. Cry wolf to few a time and no one comes to believe much of what you say then.

God Speed and always Amarr Victor.
Ragnar STS
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#37 - 2012-03-07 14:02:22 UTC
Someday I hope the scales will fall from your eyes, so that you may see clearly. Oh how I look forward to the day when I not only don't have to kill you....but I can laugh at your great dismay when you realize how misled you have been. Your entire life will be called into question. Your jaw will hang open, Khanid Dung Flies will land on your tongue, and you will be utterly ashamed. You may even beg me to take your life anyway...as you just can't bear the thought of trying to make reparations for your evil deeds.

Until then...let your slaves go free!
Calfis
Into the Ether
Out of the Blue.
#38 - 2012-03-08 19:40:15 UTC
Ragnar STS wrote:
They can see our new freedom fighter training camp in Geminate, and can do nothing about it.


For all your huffing and puffing, it would seem that your new camps are rather lightly guarded (https://a-killed.me/?a=kill_related&kll_id=649240). Roll
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
#39 - 2012-03-14 00:23:44 UTC
Ragnar STS wrote:
The Ushra'Khan is indeed being reborn. We must be somewhat careful at this time, being weakened by years of fighting.


You have not been weakened by years of fighting, you have burned out your passion in a hopeless quest inspired by the foul whispers of anarchists.

It is precisely for this reason that you need proper masters, no one doubts the fires of your passion, but when poorly directed, you will burn yourself to the ground.

I'm sure there is a place somewhere near Providence for a skillfull and obedient group of slave warriors who will sacrifice themselves at the Empire's command. You can be the CVA's capsuleer Kameiras.
Rorin Cutter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#40 - 2012-03-17 20:56:55 UTC
Ragnar STS wrote:
The Ushra'Khan is indeed being reborn. We must be somewhat careful at this time, being weakened by years of fighting. We have worn out many of our best warriors. The Amarr gods see what we are doing, and they are afraid. They can see our new freedom fighter training camp in Geminate, and can do nothing about it. Indeed, working with the Sansha invaders and setting up an incursion is the best they can do. Working devilishly behind the scenes, doing anything to weaken the matar people.

We must rise up and protest. Protest with the highsec matar authorities to finally unveil the workings of the Amarr, Sansha, and their secret Concord underlings.

We will survive the incursion. We will survive the Amarr. We will rise again.



The statement shows me that you can benefit from our teaching. We have but one God and he is watching, always.

Let us pray! Let us fight! Let the universe be ours! Amarr Victor! Deus vult!
-Rorin Cutter
Grand Master,
Defensores Fidei, CVA
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