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Feedback thread for the new EVE Online, and the new community website

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#81 - 2012-02-07 18:18:50 UTC
Razin wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
You're wanting too much in one place.

No. I want what we had on the old site. All of the customer resources on one page that customers use the most - forums.

It's easy to organize and there's plenty of room for it. And there's been plenty of time to do it.



There's a button on the top right to get to all of EVEs webpages easily. The forum is the first button. I think CCP didn't do this by mistake. If you want community resources, go to the community site.


I don't normally summon on a persons credentials for them to validate their point - but how much design and web design experience do you have? That's not to discredit your opinion, but to understand if you have the technical knowledge to say "it's easy" with any actual background in website. Otherwise, from my opinion and my experience, I have to disagree and say "it's not easy" and I think they've done a great job with what the goals they want to accomplish.

Just my 2 cents.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#82 - 2012-02-07 18:19:03 UTC
Still Error 500 on the old forum links, eg linkage

Also updated my initial post on page 1 with some suggestions about the spinning

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#83 - 2012-02-07 18:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Morgals wrote:
I like to browse by opening links in new tabs.
I can not do this on eve's main page. I wanted to open the ship viewer and the test in new tabs.


Right Click > Open in New Tab worked fine for me from the drop down menus. What's not working for you?


http://www.eveonline.com/universe/spaceships/oracle/

http://www.eveonline.com/universe/spaceships/curse/

Clicking on those will open them in 2 windows.


EDIT : @CCP Navigating to the "Expansion" information website has no way of going back to the main sites without clicking on back. I think you need the little "EVE Websites" widget on all the sites now. Just saying.

Where I am.
darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#84 - 2012-02-07 18:23:28 UTC
Just checked the website on a different machine and it seems there are some issues with the navigation menu: http://postimage.org/image/hl8mnuwdp/c846e781/ (Firefox 9.0.1, 1280x1024)

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
Hartzenen
Rise.
#85 - 2012-02-07 18:29:40 UTC
Unusable, the old one's usability and navigation speed was alot better.
And hate thin sites, why people keep making them - don't know. Wide versions are alot better.
And why so wierd colors used in theming? They are too bright, add a little bit of pink and green then - we have very happy and bright game, aren't we?
Razin
The Scope
#86 - 2012-02-07 18:40:06 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Razin wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
You're wanting too much in one place.

No. I want what we had on the old site. All of the customer resources on one page that customers use the most - forums.

It's easy to organize and there's plenty of room for it. And there's been plenty of time to do it.



There's a button on the top right to get to all of EVEs webpages easily. The forum is the first button. I think CCP didn't do this by mistake. If you want community resources, go to the community site.


I think you're just not reading what I posted. I'll break it down by points:

The page that is most used by EVE community is the forums. That is why this page should have all of the community/customer links within easy reach. Easy in this case is one click, or a drop-down/unfold menu item at worst.

Instead, to get to those customer resources we have to navigate to a different site and look for a different style menu at a different location on the new web page, and then still having to perform several clicks before we get to our intended destination.

I do not need to be a web designer to understand that this is tedious and cumbersome. In fact it's plainly obvious that that qualification isn't guaranteed to help.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#87 - 2012-02-07 18:49:27 UTC
Razin wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Razin wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
You're wanting too much in one place.

No. I want what we had on the old site. All of the customer resources on one page that customers use the most - forums.

It's easy to organize and there's plenty of room for it. And there's been plenty of time to do it.



There's a button on the top right to get to all of EVEs webpages easily. The forum is the first button. I think CCP didn't do this by mistake. If you want community resources, go to the community site.


I think you're just not reading what I posted. I'll break it down by points:

The page that is most used by EVE community is the forums. That is why this page should have all of the community/customer links within easy reach. Easy in this case is one click, or a drop-down/unfold menu item at worst.

Instead, to get to those customer resources we have to navigate to a different site and look for a different style menu at a different location on the new web page, and then still having to perform several clicks before we get to our intended destination.

I do not need to be a web designer to understand that this is tedious and cumbersome. In fact it's plainly obvious that that qualification isn't guaranteed to help.

As the forums are getting a update to support the corp forums I expect alot of the fuctionality you are asking for will be added before the end of the week. They have 3 days before the first CSM candidate has to have his page up on the forums plenty of time.

It did not make sense to add the tabs without the main sites up.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#88 - 2012-02-07 18:58:32 UTC
Razin wrote:
I think you're just not reading what I posted. I'll break it down by points:

The page that is most used by EVE community is the forums. That is why this page should have all of the community/customer links within easy reach. Easy in this case is one click, or a drop-down/unfold menu item at worst.

Instead, to get to those customer resources we have to navigate to a different site and look for a different style menu at a different location on the new web page, and then still having to perform several clicks before we get to our intended destination.

I do not need to be a web designer to understand that this is tedious and cumbersome. In fact it's plainly obvious that that qualification isn't guaranteed to help.


Ok, I agree. All the websites need to be better interlinked.

I thought you were saying you didn't like the main www.eveonline.com page because it didn't have everything you wanted on there. Yes, there are some cross web-site integration issues that need to go on. Currently, to get to the community page from the forums, I have to click on Dev-Blogs, and then that gets me to community.

So, I don't think they're done with any of that, and a CCP Dev said that there's more to get done with integration.

Where I am.
Terh Rumnatarn
Epidemic Inc.
#89 - 2012-02-07 19:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Terh Rumnatarn
A very good job.

The map needs a legend for the colors.

Darsain wrote:
I'm here with a feedback to the most important feature of them all.... SHIP SPINNING!


Here, have some nails from the thumb: Frigate view, Battleship view, Titan view with minimized list



And this. ^ Let the human model though.
malaire
#90 - 2012-02-07 19:15:20 UTC
http://www.eveonline.com/capsuleers/story/3297/isk-the-guide doesn't link to actual guide.

"We have this nice guide - but we are not going to tell you where to get it." What?

New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else
Dracko
Geezer Gamers
#91 - 2012-02-07 19:22:00 UTC
One word...... "WOW".

Great Job CCP, people will be lining up in droves to get memberships after running through this site.

Again...WTG !!!
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#92 - 2012-02-07 19:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Before I get into this, I think your main page is supposed to have "Text Slides" that change periodically? That's not happening for me. The first one says : "One Universe To Explore and Conquer" the next says "Discover your future in the sandbox", and they're not changing as I believe they should be.


I know you have multiple subdomains, but I think you need to make them comprehensible to users by their components, rather than throw a lot of sites at us in the drop down menu.

Visually speaking, you have :

EVE Online
Community
EVE Gate

You have subsections for EVE Gate as :

Player Stuff
Forums
Evelopedia

And then you have alternate sections :

EVE Store
Expansion Info
EVE Account Management
Support (out of date theme!)


Currently, seeing these all at once and understanding their relevance is a bit hampered, as some people have expressed with navigating around the various sites, you don't quite get the feeling of seamless interaction.

Your challenge is making a SINGLE navigation tool that crosses the breadth of these and at the same time makes them all feel important.

What I almost want to see is the ability to hover over the "EVE Online" Logo on the main site, and then from there I can see "Community" (image logo would be nice), Gate, Evelopedia, etc with image logos for those sections, so I feel I can switch between them by switching the logo sections. Unfortunately, I think the main problem with that is it's not typical web behavior and standard web users will not know to do that to get to the different sections. Perhaps if you are able to execute it elegantly, moving the "EVE Websites" under the EVE Online logo would give you immediate access there.

http://i.imgur.com/nW1mA.jpg

And then, do something similar for all the sites, and you can get cross site integration?

Just throwing it out there, not 100% happy with the recommendation, but I think it's a step in the right direction philosophically.

Where I am.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#93 - 2012-02-07 19:34:35 UTC
malaire wrote:
http://www.eveonline.com/capsuleers/story/3297/isk-the-guide doesn't link to actual guide.

"We have this nice guide - but we are not going to tell you where to get it." What?


Yes, I totally agree. All of those pages need inter-connection - including the profession links, the universe links internally, etc.

Where I am.
Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-02-07 19:37:38 UTC
ship browser : minmatar background is too dark, and given their ships are also, it make it hard to see well the ships. need more light. as always with duck tape user, light cost too much...
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#95 - 2012-02-07 19:43:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Snowflake Tem
darmwand wrote:
CCP Alice wrote:
darmwand wrote:
While I greatly applaud the fact that the new ship spinner doesn't require flash, it doesn't seem to show the ship models, I only see the "lights" (tested on Chromium 16 and Firefox 9). Screenshots and/or exact user agent strings available on request.


Are you on a windows or mac OS?



Neither, I'm running Linux.

Edit: I'm aware that Firefox 9 lacks some of the features for 3d stuff in HTML5, I would expect Chromium 16 to properly support it though.



I have the same problem using;

16.0.912.77 (Developer Build 118311 Linux) Ubuntu 11.10
and
10.0 Mozilla Firefox for Ubuntu Canonical - 1.0

see https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/J9pph21CGLFqQkNykDH1J9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink

else, fine work. you should be praised.
editing organic growth is always difficult, but this is a fine start.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#96 - 2012-02-07 20:16:28 UTC
Well, overall I think it's a major step up from the last one. Needs some consolidation as others have pointed out-- the links are in different places and lead to different things depending on which site you're using. The usability can be improved as well; it should be brainless to a)download EVE, b)reach the forums and c)at least notice the wiki.

It looks fantastic.

I really liked the new player video.

I think the career page has inspired a few eyerolls from people who actually play the game. Not that they're wrong per se; just some of them are a little naive. Roll

I would also suggest linking to popular [necessary] tools on either a main page of the community site or the getting started page. EVEMon, Pyfa, DOTlan, etc.
Aphatasis
Free Carpenters Union
#97 - 2012-02-07 20:17:46 UTC
Btw:
Most EVE Players are still very familiar with very long lists and a lot of buttons and drop down menues.
It's good to try to simplify menues but don't create a structure that needs to click through 5-6 sub-categories.

As short example:
Don't go the way Microsoft did with windows that lot of ppl use the "old style" cause they can't find anything in the newer more grouped and categories versions. At least it's something i and most of my friends always change on any computer to find stuff much quicker.
Dmian
Gallenterrorisme
#98 - 2012-02-07 20:20:41 UTC
Really nice.
The ships in Google Chrome/Win Vista, look better than the Eve client...P
Matthias Duran
Perkone
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-02-07 20:24:28 UTC
Horrible design, really. It initially "looks" good, but then you try to use it and realize just how unintuitive the site is.

As a test, go to the main page, and pretend you're a completely new customer. Would you have any way of even knowing that these forums exist? If someone then told you about them, how long would it take you to find them?

As others have pointed out, links are spread all over the place, in many places with no indication of what you will actually find when you click there. If you're looking for something in particular, and it isn't directly linked on the main page, finding it is a major pain in the ass because its not always obvious where to look.
Wollari
Dirt Nap Squad
#100 - 2012-02-07 20:31:31 UTC
I find the community section and especially how fansites and fan creations are presented very old fashioned ... it's a plain copy&paste of the old spreadsheet with lots of dots.

I hope this sections gets revamped as well someday. Some grouping and a list with screenshot/logo and short intro text to introduce the fansite, creation or 3rd party application.

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