Out of Pod Experience

You know what is inherintly wrong about trying to say that star trek can fight at warp speeds? Less than 1% of the time its ever done which also further dictates additional stupidty on Trekkers part.

Lets look at another universe that claims to fight at warp speed.

Honorverse.
They developed thier means of FTL via gravity wedging though space which is like trying to shove a golf ball though a frictionless hose that is much smaller than than the ball itself.

99% of all battles mentioned in honor harrigton ARE in FTL speeds. The few times they drop into sub light are usually demands for surrender, conserving power, or the node rings that makes the gravity wedges are stuck down, or you caught them with thier pants down and rammed a few warheads up thier tail pipes.

This here is a war culture, where they see stupidity for what it is, it kills people.
I can also see a honor harrigton ship royalying one volleying any star trek ship into vapor. One mk 32 missile from honorverse outputs about 100 lasing rods at fusion powered detontation which would be like getting nailed by 40 phaser blasts all at once and thier missiles dont near miss ever. Missile would go gee I just missed my taret BOOM! Lasing rods will still strip away the shields armor and whatever it can rake off in the pass. Which would royally screw any trekker that decided oh I just need to put my forward shields up.

And class wise these honor verse ships the size of the enterprise can get 1000 warp capable birds in flight at long ranges poissbly more with additional technologies from various sub cultures within honor verse. it may be a one time feat until resupply but 1000 birds none the less makes MUCH larger ships go oh @#$% duck thier head between thier legs and say good bye because the are entirley unable to stop that many missiles.

BTW star trek shields are screwed agianst any direct hit form a honor harrigton warhead the only real defense is a stronger gravity wedge. Weges would pry apart any weaker fields and materials into obvlion and once inside ship those lasers will be powerful enough to make the ship go nuclear from the mateirals it over ecxictes.

And meh

Photon Masers dont sound all that good of a weapon to use against other ships. Which some eggheads aggree weapon protrayed in the show is a maser not a fancier laser.

and before you go off on saying that honor harrigton lasers arent that powerful.

Star treck uses a crystal focus still.
Honor Harrigton lasers uses gravity to lense the laser.
I can tell you which one burns out first.

And missile range on one of the best missiles deployed for system defenses is 180Mkms in honor harrigton.
Which is entirely feasble considering they shoved the equivalent of four warp drives in the damn thing.

One more thing, Star Trek has absolutely no electronic warfare nor do they have an intel force capable of stealing entire technologies nor do they seem to have intelligent enough people to develop workarounds within months of getting thier asses whopped. It took them what a good 30 years to go back to FIREARMS to kill borg? wtf....

Which really brings into the question that if borg can adapt thier barriers to protect themselves against a energy weapon quickly but not a projectile.

How much damage a hyperlight antiship dart going though the longest beam of hte enterpirse could cause?

technologicaly?
even if the romulans+borg+federation+klingons+cardasssians+every other secondary faction, got togetehr in an ULTIMATE TEAMMUP OF UNSTOPPABLE VICTORY.....

a single polaris frigate would appear and proceed to laugh as the entire galaxy burns around it, and the Q-continuum echoes with howls of pain emanating form immortal beings wishing they could die, if only to make the pain stop.

also, capsuleers would love tribbles.
borg would prolly worship either capsuleers, sansha, or a combination, as the ultimate hyrbids of machine and flesh.

edit: a couple spelling errors

I would point out that this thread seems to have been very derailed.

Also the kings of Scifi space win would probably be the Timelords from Dr. Who and the ancients from stargate. And as scifi universes in general run, eve (except the terrans most likely) and star trek rank pretty low in the food chain

EVE would win out over ST. The reason for this is down to a few specific ship classes EVE has... namely, covert ops and (super-)capitals.

It has been shown that even when they know what they're looking for, ST sensors have a real hard time detecting cloaked ships - even ones at close range. The EVE version of cloaks cause ships, regardless of size, to be made completely invisible in every way - they are made completely undetectable to multiple sensor types, and can even warp around without giving themselves away. Any group in the ST universe would lose most of their warships through surprise attacks. They wouldn't even have a chance to raise shields before being ganked (compared to EVE ships which ALWAYS have their shields active) by a few dozen recons/stealthbombers.

And (super-)capitals? They're completely unmatched by anything in ST. Even with the massive tracking issues EVE ships would have, they'd have an easy time shrugging off the damage thrown at them with logistics support and would literally steamroll any static facility. On top of that, they can INSTANTLY TELEPORT right into enemy territory with covops support, with barely a few seconds of warning.

And what of ewar? Multifreq jammers would wreck havok on the sensor systems of ST ships. Nos and neuts would make them not just unable to fire or warp, but DIE from life support failure.

On top of all of the above; there is no warp disruption in ST. Any EVE ship could simply warp out... at warp factors superior to almost all ST vessels.

But ST ships' vastly quicker sub light speed would mean they'd never be caught, right? Not really. ST ships suffer wear and tear, forcing them to stop, sometimes even at a starbase, unlike EVE ships which appear to be able to put repairs into effect with NO impact on performance. On that subject, EVE ships can be repaired to mint condition from a bare handful of hull HP. In space. While still engaging the enemy. In comparison, in Voyager's Year of Hell eps... well, nuff said.

The only recourse aside from surrender for ST factions would be to run and hide in deep space. They'd have to design/build entirely new warships+tech, which would take YEARS for them to manufacture with their techniques and facilities, to even think of fighting off an EVE invasion force.

Actually Capsuleer ships do have crews http://freebooted.blogspot.com/2011/04/ships-crew-debate-official-line.html

Star trek ships have no toilets.

The entire Alpha Quadrant could unite against New Eden, and they'd be thrashed handily.

The first rule of Space Fight Club is you don't mess with the Jovians. They've got I-Win Button(tm) technology.

Don't think the Nostromo had any either

There where alot of toilets on the battlestar.

Another technological advantage new eden would have.

I only have to kill one picard or Janeway, you're not getting another one back.

Killing our Roden, Jayml (there are not alot of non-player capsuleers are there...) or Mittanni will have no effect on them other than pissing them off more.

And very soon immortal soldier tech would make any federation marines quiver in fear. That these people you kill just come right on back even dangerous than last time becuase you killing them only made thier lessons learned better. Also when was the last federation marine you saw wearing any sort of armor or shielding? Every one I seen so far outside the Enterprise series wore the same fatigues as your regular trekkers.

Star Trek would lose for its sheer lack of creativity.

Given the technologies present in the Star Trek universe, it should be possible for them to build a massive replicator that spits out whole ships. By recreating the well-documented transporter glitches that duplicate people, you could then copy an entire crew, beaming them directly to the bridge. You could assemble a fleet as quickly as you could acquire the raw mass and energy necessary. But every known power in the galaxy still relies on mining, processing, and assembling the materials manually.