EVE General Discussion

Man I think I'm on the ball with my posting but someone has always beaten me to it. However, my thread is a bit more specific and is thus still legit.

It's directly related to the Devs Answers Thread abandonment and the unanswered FW questions within.

Here is it if you want to have a look:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9616&find=unread

What I'm curious about is the "why"

Why wouldn't they want to put some resources into faction warfare?

- do they think they don't have any creatieve ideas for it?

- is there a very small number of people they would trust making those types of decisions... is the road block not $ resources, but a bottleneck of a few big picture people's time?

- if so, is that a necessary thing in a coherent game world, or is that a professional failure in the abilty to delegate and trust those delegated to?

I want to understand the organizational barriers to iterating on FW or balancing ships, or tweeking 0.0 sov rules more regularly ... They only have so many teams.. but do all people need to be on the teams... can't there be some guys assigned certain domains that are always there to tweek and only use the teams for executing new feautures that they've been slowly working towards in little tweaks ?

I recently returned to the game and created this new account. I am hoping it will be a FW character.

I am curious about what is broken ..... Sorry, I didn't see the specifics as I scanned the links. Lots of comments about no attention, but no clear summary of what is wrong.

So, please bear with a noob and share some observations about FW? I still intend on participating, just want some sp before I lose some spendy implants

My simple complaint is that it's a feature for easy PvP, but with no incentive to get people out and fighting, and lots to lose if you get blown up.

There are details about the mechanics that I'll let others get into... basically I don't use any of them because all I want to do is PvP, and none of them really help me do that. Plexing is tedious and rewardless (as is flipping systems by doing it) and missioners are evasive carebears. So these primary mechanics don't promote the main basis for the feature... PvP.

As I was writing this, the post above was made... pretty much touches on the same things I said.

I don't think you know what sarcasm is...

Many people are paying for a game experience they aren't getting... Lag in null, carebears being griefed in high sec...

I have recently joined FW and love it, though there are definitely things that need focusing on.

People need to be able to afford ships to risk them in pvp. With no financial reward to plexing, and very limited income from looting pvp (tends to go to people who lost ships so those who didnt don't get to build up a buffer to cover their next losses), it is no suprise people run the missions. As for carebears, what do you mean? people who only run missions and don't pew at all? I haven't met one yet. Or do you mean people who won't engage a WT mission invader in their non-tanked, no point stealth bomber? Because that would be dumb. Or do you simply think anything that isn't pvp is carebearing? Such a stupid term and everyone uses it a different way to include the bunch of people they want to look down on for not playing the same way as them so it really needs clarification.

As for the missions there seem to be some balance issues, though I believe the pay rate is pretty spot-on. As gal we get ecm'd hard by the cal npcs and require teamwork to do our missions. Almost every day i'll see a Cal out soloing a mission, the pervailing thought seems to be that the damping our npcs use is much easier to overcome. Personally I like the teamwork, we get to practice commands, maneuvers, get used to each others voices/playstyles, all things that will be of benefit when working together in fleet pvp, and in fairness I do still see 2-3 man squads of cal out as well as the solo-ers, but that balance theme has been bought up in conversation so many times in my short time here that it is clearly commonly felt.

The plexing leaves a lot to be desired, and as it is now serves no real purpose except RP. The main group I see running plexes seem to use it as a way of attracting pvp and sometimes they get good fights, but then with no rewards for taking part and risking their ships you will sure enough see them out on a mission run soon after any real loss.

Fundamentally if you want more people pew pewing more often then they have to have a way of affording to do so and the vague income from pvp and lack of anything for plexing are simply not good enough in my eyes to maintain a constant presence on the battlefield. If we made ISK from pew pew that could sufficiently cover our losses and future purchases I don't think you'd see as many of us running missions to pay for our toys, if ever.

I like the idea of that, it is frustrating when between 2 or 3 of you none are fitted for combat when it lands on your door*. Sadly there are very valid reasons as it is now for us using the speed tank/sb combo (ability to make it to and from the location, dps to bring down the commanders etc etc) and for why we rarely engage in missions when using this combo (speed tanker has full room aggro, sb's only need be targeted and they fall apart with fear). I don't think I agree that pve should only exist just to keep you busy, but my disagreement only relates to the neccessity of making isk to continue pew pew as it is now. If it was possible to make isk, in a pvp fitted ship, doing only pvp or missions pvp fitted (please remember a rookie like me still struggles to break even in pvp, even with a good k/d ratio) I would be right behind you, and missions would be kinda like plexes, just another way to attract the fights we all joined up for, in which case they would be completely optional as regarding the need for isk to pew. :)

If the state paid you to kill me, and the federation paid me to kill you for example I am guessing we would both be happier bunnies, or at least something more along that line to make the pew self sustaining.

*especially when you spent an hour or two roaming without finding a fight before deciding to go make some money! 3 or 4 times now for me!

I think its going to be hard to make mission running pvp. I'm either fitting for pvp or I am fitting for pve. Mixing the 2 just means I'm well fit for either and giving my pvp opponents an advantage.

But they clearly could make plexing pvp. See my signature for a way that would work. (let players know where and when plexes are entered so they can fight for them before the timer runs and remove npcs)

After they correct the occupancy plexing mechanic so it is pvp instead of pve they could increase the pay for occupancy plexing.

The occupancy plexxing would then be the greatest thing in eve.

I think the answer is: because they work in technology. People who work in technology often don't get it. Look at Bill Gates.


FW is the obvious way to showcase the rich solo and small scale pvp this game can offer. Yet they miss the boat and produce more ways to shoot red crosses and dress up.

Tracking speed is a HUGE issue in incursions, hence people do fit tracking enhancers/computers/links, webs and target painters are also known to appear. Some people might even fit a scram, but this is less known. Low sec incursion fleets are also sometimes seen with a few long points in case someone tries to go gcc on them...
When I do incursions, I take my incursion setup loki - I use the bonus to web range to slow the targets down for the other ships to use. Bhalgorns, Paladins, Kronos' and Vindicators are often used for similar reasons.
I also use 220s to get better tracking on the targets vs 425s...