Warfare & Tactics

Confirming I would just make an alt to farm fed navy webs, navy comets, and hookers.

Biggest proponents of the whole remove faction war missions are the gallente who currently pretty much have had the one sided fight in their favor for so many months now. Now they want more ways so that they can "magically" get noobs en mass to give them free killmails or the proverbial "good fight". I don't know about you but I kill plenty of gallente stealth bombers in missions. It's not a garuenteed kill everytime, they often get away. I catch plenty of snowflakes in the missions though. Infact it is quite enjoyable to go farm "noob mails" in the back pockets, rather than bring a small gang of 5 guys out only to get bitched out in local by the other militia for not fighting a gang twice (sometimes four to five times) in number and twice in ship size. I don't know if my blocked list has anymore room.

I doubt it. Gallente are all about fighting in plexes "now", only because they have been able to capture systems while Caldari had little to no support to fight back. However you wont see them willing to fight for plexes in systems they don't occupy. Anytime I've ever tried to get a fight out of them in Caldari plexes they always run off and only come back with ******** numbers or not at all. So when they decide to capture a system they wont do it unless they have 15-20 guys near by or it's easy to just run them out because when they are alone they almost never fight.

If you look at the map you notice that they are barely contesting any systems out side their little 5 jump "blob" radius of Nemm & Rakapas. You won't see them contesting the constellations like KIrala, Ieyama, Urpliken ect..ect, because they are more than 5 jumps away from their home, which means their guys would actually have to fend for themselves and would die a lot when dealing with more even sided fights.

It's much easier to sit in the same few systems where they know their help safety net is 2 jumps away at most and complain they can't kill Mission Runners.

So the Faction Warfare is?
A)Missions in low-sec
B)Scannable complexes in a part of low-sec
C)A LP store with uniqe items
D)A free war dec with 2 other groups that never ends and you never pay for it in isk*.
E)losing access to 2 parts of hi-sec space.

So whats the problem? Its all **** you can have any were. Its not even like what we describe FW to be one we talk about it.
We all on our own drive like 90% of what gos on, and most of us are only using 1 of the 4 or so parts of FW.
That one? Most often just the war dec part or the mission part and some times plexing and war dec part.
Thats it.

Ok so I'm just going to take a sec and say some thing about them.

A)I have done them....but my views are tainted. See I have a beef with (C) so I can't get in to them. They seem ok as far as missions go. There like some of the other NPC content in the game. They take more traveling. Pay more LP. Are vs. a medium amounts of NPC's. They have a few triggers to complete them, ether some guys or some thing you have to kill and your done. And lastly you have to do them well war dec'd in low-sec. There pay is ok, but I don't do them. I make more doing other things, and its harder for me to use the LP store. So meh. This is some thing every one else will have to figure out for now. Whats this have to do with the minutes? Well it seems like the CSM, CCP, and most FW pilots (minus that drake train guy) all think that level 4's seem fishy, that they seem a little to commonly done in SB's and in groups under 3.

B)Kind of fun. What if Cosmic Signatures and Cosmic Anomalies had magic ghost baby's that were kinda like Static Complexes? That only some people cared about? They are more engaging than a grav site but less rewarding. They cause a cosmetic change(an in game tag on the system) and a mechanical one(what side they are spawning for). But those aren't the good parts, that would be the gate. It controls ship type and establishes a 0 point that the fight will begin from. Whats the problem? That sounds a lot like an arena and we know what CCP thinks, they don't want to make or have them EvE online. That's mostly what we use them for. Whats this got to do with the minutes? You read them this is kinda mentend but more importantly sov warfare is, witch also uses the cosmetic component of plexing. Whats it mean for this aspect of FW? I wish they would tell us, most of us are left feeling like they're going to kill this and use its place to test stuff we don't like. I wish they were more like exploration, like how you can run missions for serpetis or you can scan there sites for there stuff, keep the Static Complexes beacon in space but put more in them beyond that.....Because I would like cool navy stuff in a exploration like format connected to the theme of FW.

C)The LP store, *sigh* please tell me the're hard to make. Please because the Federal Defence Union one looks a lot like the Federal Intelligence Office one but with a couple more things thrown in and a 50% reduction to some items.(most notable of them are the other ships not eclusive to us) Any one looked up what having another way to get the same crap has done to said crap? I know I haven't but its seems to all be worth less, and its going down(full +5's usta be a bill, 450mill now if ya look). But that's not the worst part. See if you use the F.D.U. LP store and your NOT Gallente or have Galente star ship skills you will have a choice, ether get things you could get any were or do the logistics to get the big ticket items wile making a profit. See you can't get a navy domi in BPC form so you ether buy the domi and nexus chip there at a mark up and sell for a reduced price right there or you get some one else to move the it all around for you. Also most of the stuff in the store can be gotten some were else the only thing that can't are the 2 ships and we don't even use them, also WERE THE F*** IS OUR FRIGATE?! Its the one even if it fallowed the trend and was worse than the other one but cheaper we would use them for plexing, but it's the one they haven't jammed in to the game WTF? Take back the cruiser then, no one likes them. Give me a shiny to turn in to a plex wreck. Whats this have to do with the minutes? Nothing that's what, they said **** and probably won't. so far its just me on this one I take it.

D&E) (D)Ah yes the best part of FW. No one can deny it this is the single best value in EvE online. Zero isk and you get thousands of war targets in hundreds of corporations(and now alliances). what is the value of that? 2 mill a pop a corp X hundreds + all the loose people just soloing in the NPC corp, now add in alliances at 20 mill is it each? Now pay for that for ever. For 0 that seems way sweet! But its not free, see you lose all the space that belongs to the other side and if you made your money there then it dose cost you revenue. How much? Depends me nothing, some a lot. I think its a fine trade, hell I would through in their stations in any space to boot! Still seems like a sweet deal, but also fair. Whats this have to do with the minutes? Well they talked about just just getting rid of (E). That's a hole feature buy some counts, just gone. And that makes (D) way to good, why have hi-sec warfare if you can get a bunch free from this? Why would any one pay?(I guess if they want very specific kills?) I mean most of us feel there should be some cost.

I know what I say may not be popular but I would say that fw missions were an excellent design by ccp. With one idea after another failing for low sec fw missions are a really good design.

They are a great model on how to have low sec missions. I actually think they should expand this format to other corps with other unique "low sec lp" for the different corps.

They teach people they can travel through low sec without constant instadeath. The idea that you have to travel somewhere and then once you open the mission it appears on everyones overview is great. It creates a sort of race against the clock feel. I'm not saying I love doing them but they are definitely a bit more tense than other forms of mission running I have done.

The rewards are based on lp so they are self balancing. If too many people do them you won't make as much if fewer people do them then those that do make more. Compare this to the stupid incursions rewards that just print isk so the rewards will never be devalued until the isk is. Also the lp for incursions works in most lp stores so it is never devalued no matter how much incurstions are farmed.

Pirates can keep you out of the missions and be a pia and sometimes even catch you but you can also just move to another mission. Requiring a blob so that you can own every mission system you go in is not a good solution imo.

That said I do agree that in fw you give up many alternate sources of income such as the safe high sec missions. Therefore there is a need to have this form of income protected for people who actually participate in fw. That is why I think your ability to run missions and/or cash in lp should be tied to vp or pvp. In other words prove you are not just an alt driving down the lp market for the others who are participating in the more important parts of fw. I put that in the assembly hall if anyone wants to vote for it.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60820&find=unread

I do think the risk is in line with the reward. High sec I can run 2 accounts and make as much with no risk. High sec incursions blow this away.

As far as difficulty I think the amarr missions are perfect. Don't make them harder or easier. Really jus the one change and they perfect IMO.

I will say one things about missions. A couple added in that were like 3 small parts but started closer might be nice. Some times going 8 jumps to the first one is a little boring. EX all 3 legs of the mission are settable as way points. first is just 3-5 out, second is 2-3 from there, and third is 1-2 further. Would brake up the traveling time. Also would make your presence in a area more prominent.

Damn straight

Just to let you know, being a single voice for the community does not mean putting your opinion ahead of the community. Your ideas about changing FW missions (to prevent a bomber from doing a mission) is completely inaccurate with what the community has been saying.

As I said before

Be a voice for the community and talk about COMMON AGREEANCES. Plexing mechanics, sovereignty, etc.

When you advocate changes you advocate for changes that will move FW in the right direction not cause a split (which is what you are doing)

The community agrees 100% on two things

1) Plexes
2) Sovereignty control

Focus on those two, how about that. Leave missions alone for later.

Its a huge deal if you are a care bear industrialist....and now that you have acknowledged my point I will counter your rebuttle by saying

"Oh CCP please implement something else that doesnt exsist (the credits you mentioned)"

This is why I keep saying stop talking about FW missions and focus on the real problems. FW missions will not help get more pilots by altering it........

I sound like a friggen broken record

A voice need to put forth what we all agree on. Which is nothing. Who the hell is in agreement about Sov control? Are you talking about more systems a faction controls = more perks for that faction? In that case, then yeah. I think we want something that makes plexing or whateverwillreplaceplexing worth it.

His ideas about FW missions is NOT completely inaccurate. Some are in support of it.

So I'll just go ahead and narrow your list from 2 to 1.

1) Plexes

Don't apologize. FW missions are still easy mode for 1/2way skilled toons to make isk in low sec with no danger. Low sec DED missions have more risk than FW missions. Even if someone sees the FW mission up in a system, the mission runner still can A) get out before the pirate/opposing FW guy gets there and kill him or B) move on to another mission when the pirate/opposing FW guy camps the warp in.

No risk low sec PVE is not how it's supposed to be. It goes agains what Low Sec is about!!! Risk/reward man!!!