Warfare & Tactics

Cearain - c'mon man, please please please endeavor to keep FW threads respectful in nature. We're trying to gain credibility for our cause, not be seen as a bunch of squabbling soldiers that can't get along.

We have to keep a level head or we are destined for irrelevancy.

The statement Gallentius quoted is absolutely factually correct. There is no need to blow up at him for confirming that.

I am one of those pilots who, because of my timezone, has NEVER been able to participate in plexing - so no one understands the impact of the spawning fix more than me. There are now plexing fleets happening on a daily basis in the Minnie / Amarr warzone, in timezones where they never existed before. Some of the hardcore PvP corps in my TZ that used to scoff at plexing as a gutter activity are now using plexes to find fights once again. I helped seize a system for the first time in my FW career just a few nights ago.

So yes, the "fix" is working as intended. I understand that you do not feel that this ends the debate about FW, or plexes. Obviously it does not, otherwise I'd give up the fight mysellf right now and declare victory.

Your stance on plexing is crystal clear - you do not see NPC's as an asset to plexing, you feel they discourage PvP, and should be removed. You also feel that there should be a public alert system to encourage more response fleets when a plex becomes contested. This fundamental pair of ideas is evident in almost every single post (not even thread mind you) that you have contributed since the FW debate began. All of us who have followed the debate by now, and certainly the developers themselves, have heard this message.

Defending those ideas by any means necessary no longer helps our cause if it means resorting to smack talk, saying that those that disagree are "crying", and refusing to just allow people to have differing ideas.

Once you've supported your stance with evidence, and the person you're talking to still holds a differing opinion, that is the time to move on, because pushing things at that point is a polarizing act itself.

Look, I don't want you to get discouraged, and I don't want you to stop posting. I don't want you to feel like you're not being heard either. But the bottom line is that we all have differing opinions on the details, my set of solutions does not overlap 100% with everyone else's set of solutions, but that doesn't mean that we all have to go for each other's throats.

I know you're a reasonable man, so I'm hoping your post here was just some built-up steam that needed to be vented.

Buff Caldari Mitlia somehow!

1. The current map today reflects the reality of power in the FW regions much more than in ever has. The Gallente hold the Caldari areas they are strongest in - the ones near where they live. Same with the Amarr.

2. You can only flip a system in one day if the opposition is weaker than you during all TZs. IMO, there's nothing wrong with that. If the other side cannot defend, then you shouldn't have to take a month to flip a system, nor should you be shut out of capturing a system by afk, after-DT plexing alts. So, out of curiosity, how long should it take to flip a system against zero opposition?

So, what we have all agreed upon, EXCEPT ONE POSTER, is that plex fights are awesome, and that the number of players running plexes has increased 10-fold. Pretty much every active member in my corporation, and the majority of active pilots in my TZ for that matter, has run plexes (sometimes to flip a system in a reasonable amount of time, or most times to kill stuff) since the patch and has enjoyed the experience.

The proof is in the pudding.

As far as I am concerned, having been part of the post-DT crews for two+ years; approx. three days with no opposition.

That is one perma-spawning plex instead of the current three.

Has the benefit of keeping people moving to maximize plexing efforts instead of doing two systems and docking up/camping random gate or station for 30 minutes waiting for respawns. Should increase likelihood of butting heads with enemy gangs as they hunt for you and plexes.

Either way, the whole thing is a colossal waste of time as long as there are no repercussions for shedding system .. how many of us have heard "let them flip it, its easier to get back afterwards" .. the system offers one of the best PvP theatres in Eve but at the same same discourages PvP over the built-in objectives, very odd design if you ask me

This is just plain lame. I would have blown him up and then put him on my contact list for permanent hauntage. I sure hope you ignored this ass-hat's bleating.

And you would have been out of militia in a day due to losses in standings.

So you believe the plexing MECHANIC would be ok if one side could capture a system in three days?




This is a Rewards issue, not a mechanics issue.

Agreed with everything you said except that. The correct phrasing is "the proof of the pudding is in the tasting" meaning you need to experience it to know for sure.

I have no idea what people are trying to find when they are looking in all that pudding. Nuts?

Hahaha, no. But it would at least not seem as such a trivial thing .. null have had their station ping-pong but we have system ping-pong \o/
For plexing to be OK'ish:
- the four factions should have close to similar ability to plex which NPCs currently interfere with,
- there should be semi-accurate feedback as to contested status,
- most of plexes (read, most, not all!) should benefit team-work,
- rewards should be in place (read a suggestion of requiring VP + LP to get stuff from store, would be an awesome carrot),
- occupancy should have meaning, even if it is close to nothing. When we started there were news bulletins, RP chest beating and what not .. now no one cares, even the people who do the plexing.

Contest without being able to use previous material .. hmmmm, not fair so I'll ignore that rule :
- Improve AI. Shouldn't keep shooting **** they can't hit/kill .. probably some threat list thingy.
- Plexes are player spawned by anchoring a consumable in a given system. Anchor time 60-120s, announcement of anchoring in militia interface (location/time only).
- Widen entry point to full 15km sphere or have multiple nodes where one can choose to enter plex (multiple choice at gate).
- NPCs reset on friendly presence and don't reactivate until friendly leaves (exploitable, but 'meh').
- Timers replaced with randomized puzzle-boxes (PB) .. call it manual hacking. The above avg. IQ would be faster than most but doubt many braniacs are around in the first place so shouldn't be an issue .
- Enemy accessing a PB spawns an elite NPC wing (removes solo frig).
- Majors are semi-rare, can (randomized) spawn automatically when X number of smaller plexes have been spawned and have multiple 'rooms', each with a PB.
All PB must be completed, if enemy comes in and gets one (from scratch or reversed) the whole plex resets (ie. all PB's reset). Spawn of major is announced on militia interface, very high VP for majors.
- Bunker replaced with special unrestricted major, announced just as normal majors. PB's replaced with attribute modifying nodes that require 15-20s presence to apply their effect (elite spawn when timer starts), modifier can be both positive and negative dependent on who holds the node.
EHP grind consists of a beefed up racial carrier with unlimited drones and a whopping tank .. capital takedown fleet needed (NEUTS, BRING MOAR NEUTS!) and losing control of nodes can make it nigh impossible to kill.

Oh dear, brain-fart was a wall-o-text ..

Agreed, and you need to make sure you have the right balance of bringing just enough ships to get a fight but still win.