EVE New Citizens Q&A

So the prologue of the game is amazing. Once I get past the prologue and start doing the quests from the different career path guys - no more audio messages - no more story. Just - text telling me to do a quest - then get your next quest. VERY bland.

Then I start talking with people in the game. - Learning more about the game.

Apparently in this game if your ship gets destroyed - IT IS GONE!!! You gotta buy a new ship - and new fittings for the ship - and the only thing you can do to help mitigate cost is insurance - which does not give you the full cost of everything you put into the ship back.

In many games there are death penalties. However this is FORCING people to play HARD CORE. This is VERY rogue like and there are more people who HATE perma-death games then there are people who LIKE them.

There is a huge reason why your server population went from an average of 100k a day to below 20k a day. People lost their ships - all that hard work and time they put in the game to get them - AND THEN BOOM!!!!

The death penalty is WAY TOO BIG in this game for me to even CONSIDER putting the amount of time required to even get a somewhat decent of a ship going!!! WAY TOO BIG GUYS!!! TOO BIG!!!

Sorry - the death penalty for this game makes it NOT WORTH MY TIME.

You want your player base to come back? Figure out a way for people to be able to have their ships re-spawned - add some kind of death penalty (but not too big) - like even a really long re spawn timer would be better than perma-death. I'm talking days to weeks even. DO NOT make people lose their fittings / implants either. I hear those can also be really hard to replace.


Or hey here's an idea. Start a server where you have your typical style game - and then the other server with NO PERMA -DEATHS FOR SHIPS but re-spawn timers like I stated.

Imagine playing WoW with Perma death. World of Warcraft WOULD BE NO WHERE NEAR AS SUCCESSFUL HAD THEY DONE THAT!!!!!

These are GAMES people... Making things too close to real life on certain aspects TAKES THE FUN OUT OF PLAYING SAID GAME!!!!!!!!! ( permanent death in games just like real life - IS NOT... FUN!!!!!!!!!!!)

I saw that one video where there was that massive battle - hearing about how people lost collectively OVER 300 THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! Yeah I bet a crap load of people rage quit the game because of that.....

Just think - you could have KEPT all those players for such a much longer time had it not been for this ill-advised gameplay decision.

If you are going to have Hardcore in your game (perma-death) - THEN MAKE IT AN OPTION AND DO NOT FORCE IT ON PEOPLE WHO ABSOLUTELY ABHOR THAT!!!!!!! Make different servers for people who do not want to play like that!!

IT IS AS BAD AS MAKING PEOPLE PLAY WITHOUT AN INVERT Y AXIS OPTION!!!!! POOR DECISION TO LEAVE OUT THE OPTION!!!! Devs who do this seem like they have some kind of built in arrogance where it's like they are telling the world: No - you play the way I want you to play or don't play at all - and then assume there won't be a backlash from it. THE ARROGANCE!!!

I can't in good conscience recommend this game JUST because of this. I'll choose a game where I can have a better sense of accomplishment because all the hard things I have worked for don't disappear permanently because of : Lag. Bad Luck, In the wrong place at the wrong time, etc. etc. etc. etc."

This is especially true considering you allow people to make in game purchases.

BORDERLINE GAMBLING. No thanks! Funny how in this case the house will eventually lose given enough time. That's assuming they don't take any advice.

I seriously doubt this post will change anything for the game. I bet this post has been done already countless times by countless different people. But hey - what would life be like without repetition?

Cheers.

Ships are 'respawned' whenever an industrialist builds then and sells them on the open market. I am not my ship, a capsuleer is an immortal being, we got our minds transferred right back to our next body ready to die again. And again.

Also FAKE NEWS, SAD

I agree -- FAKE NEWS.

On several fronts:

First, your title suggests a review of the game. It is not. It is a complaint about one part of the Eve experience.

Second, you are NOT your ship. Any ship can be flown given enough skills & isk and any modules can be installed too. You are you IN the ship. And much like equipment deteriorating in other MMOs, sooner or later they'll have to be either repaired or replaced. Same here --- The difference being that losing the ship and / or modules allows the industry part of the game, the low end T1 industry especially, to still be viable 14+ years later. Add in that most ships and equipment is cheap compared to the time it takes to make in game money and then add insurance... I mean really... In the 11 days I've been on this new character, I already have just under 150 mil isk --- enough to buy and fully fit over 200 frigates. Sheesh. Wanted to start over from scratch just to see what it was like for new players. Still fun.

And to close... Here is a trivia question for you? What is the longest running MMO that has more than 20,000 active subscribers?

Yep, EVE. Was released on May 6, 2003. WOW was November 23, 2004. FACT. They must be doing something right.


H. Lee

What you have described is why EvE is unique and why EvE is special.

EvE is not for everyone. If it's not for you, just leave. It won't change for you. We who love the game want it to stay as it is.

I didn't know this one... Really love it ^^.


For the OP, Eve is not the casual theme park you can find everywhere. The harsh environment, steep learning curve, the community are the specificity of Eve and make the game a lot more rewarding than any other MMO I ever played.

As opposed to what you say, the sens of accomplishment is a lot higher in this game. When you need so much effort and sweat to put something together, and even more to keep it alive, there is a true feeling of accomplishment.

Also, we can all mine all day long to make ISK, build ships and modules to sell, run mission to kill rats, but in the end, if ships and modules are not destroyed, who will buy them ? Nobody. Then, who will need to mine and build ? Nobody. Who will leave the game ? All industrialists and miners, but also traders. THIS is what would kill Eve, very very fast.

The game need everything to stay alive : miners, industrialists, mission runners, but also pirates, gankers and scammers. If one side disappear, the other will follow almost immediately.

So, if you don't like Eve as it is, this game is not for you and it's better to leave. There is no shame or blame in this statement, Nothing in this world is made for everyone. Find a game that suits your needs/will and enjoy it as much as we enjoy Eve's harsh environment.

Fly safe to your new world.

I cannot take credit for the quote, but I thought it would suit the thread well.

Otherwise, to the OP:
Very sorry that you feel this way. EVE is a great game, and best played with friends. Good luck on finding something that entertains you more.

Just pointing out, EVE never had 100k on at one time. Highest I ever saw was like 40-45k years ago, with spikes up to 50-60k for things like major fights and tournament days.

One actual "metagame" is to lose as little as possible. You can play it safe and never or rarely lose anything that really hurts. The corresponding rewards from this style of gameplay will be lower and the game will feel less exciting and immersive. It's up to the player how much risk he/she will take to recieve certain rewards. You learn, then you decide. That's actually great, isn't it?

Bye