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Plex price 3M?

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DiDDleR
Unity of Suns
Warped Intentions
#81 - 2017-06-21 10:18:36 UTC
Marek Kanenald wrote:
Dotaros Kolar wrote:
CCP should reroll an obviously wrong decision and activate a price cut for 30 days playtime via plex at lets say 750 million.....

EVERYONE has to have to opportunity to buy 30 days via plex in a "normal"(let's say 14 days) period.....

Around 1.5 billion is simply ridiculous.


Why is it ridiculous? I made enough money to plex my acount for a year after 6 months on an alpha account.


You made around 18 billion ISK with an Alpha account in 6 x months? Incredible what were you doing? Ghost Training?
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2017-06-21 10:43:41 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
PLEX is not a luxury. It can't be. Any more than ISK is a luxury.

PLEX is a medium of exchange. More a symbol than an item. Like ISK is not an item. You see it in your wallet but you can do nothing tangible with it.

You can't fit PLEX to your ship. Or research them in a lab run. Or mine them out of rocks. They are not an item so can't be a luxury. Just another way to write ISK.

Mr Epeen Cool
At least with oldPLEX, it was a luxury, at least the ability to purchase them from the market to pay for your game time. It was not needed for any in-game activity. It was purely used to mediate RMT between two players and you could play EVE without even knowing they existed and not have it impact on your game play. ISK is not a luxury as you could not play the game if you didn't know ISK existed.

Also, from the other side, you do not need to engage in RMT to play the game and buy power or resources from other players. That is also a luxury, one CCP added as a best solution to a problem rather than as a true feature to the the game.

Now though that PLEX is used to purchase other goods and services, perhaps you are more right. nuPLEX can be used for many more things than just to mediate the exchange of virtual assets for real-world cash of other players (or vice versa), including the storage of wealth or as a currency used to buy some items from CCP. It's still pretty optional from the core game, but there is much more utility than when GTC trading was sanctioned or when PLEX was first introduced.

That stopped being true when injectors dropped. If you want to do "serious" farming, guess what you need to get the flavor of the year with a lot of alts before it gets nerfed?

Yep.

Those things enabled the capship proliferation we've seen these past few months. Without them, the Rorqal and carrier spam would have taken a lot longer to materialize.

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Marek Kanenald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2017-06-21 14:55:44 UTC
DiDDleR wrote:
Marek Kanenald wrote:
Dotaros Kolar wrote:
CCP should reroll an obviously wrong decision and activate a price cut for 30 days playtime via plex at lets say 750 million.....

EVERYONE has to have to opportunity to buy 30 days via plex in a "normal"(let's say 14 days) period.....

Around 1.5 billion is simply ridiculous.


Why is it ridiculous? I made enough money to plex my acount for a year after 6 months on an alpha account.


You made around 18 billion ISK with an Alpha account in 6 x months? Incredible what were you doing? Ghost Training?


Buy low, sell high.
Keno Skir
#84 - 2017-06-21 15:23:07 UTC
DiDDleR wrote:
Marek Kanenald wrote:
Dotaros Kolar wrote:
CCP should reroll an obviously wrong decision and activate a price cut for 30 days playtime via plex at lets say 750 million.....

EVERYONE has to have to opportunity to buy 30 days via plex in a "normal"(let's say 14 days) period.....

Around 1.5 billion is simply ridiculous.


Why is it ridiculous? I made enough money to plex my acount for a year after 6 months on an alpha account.


You made around 18 billion ISK with an Alpha account in 6 x months? Incredible what were you doing? Ghost Training?


It's not that hard just boring, just do a bit of basic station trading.
Teckos Pech
Patriotic Tendencies
Goonswarm Federation
#85 - 2017-06-21 21:00:23 UTC
Dotaros Kolar wrote:
CCP should reroll an obviously wrong decision and activate a price cut for 30 days playtime via plex at lets say 750 million.....

EVERYONE has to have to opportunity to buy 30 days via plex in a "normal"(let's say 14 days) period.....

Around 1.5 billion is simply ridiculous.


Yes, because having no PLEX is so much better than having a high priced PLEX. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Patriotic Tendencies
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2017-06-21 21:01:49 UTC
Munted Happenstance wrote:
I think one reason is just simply some guy shoving in a bunch of buy orders for small amounts of plex and hoping that they don't get filled before someone else adjusts their buy order to be more than his.

In other words, semi fake buy orders just to raise the minimum price, and with a market as active as plex he can be pretty confident someone else will "overcut" him.

Of course you could just abuse the "margin trading" skill to have no risk of your order actually being completed as well, but with the fracturing of plex into smaller units you can raise the minimum price this way with a much smaller amount of isk on the table than before the change.

I mean look at the existing buy orders its pretty clear a bunch of them are created for that reason, why would a bunch of different people need exactly 112 units of plex.

Suggestion: stop 'overcutting' these buy orders if you are actually setting buy orders yourself and just let them sell out for awhile, unless of course you profit by the higher prices, in which case, keep doing what your doing peeps.


Roll

I love how these market gurus never put their ISK where there mouth is.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Earnest Emu
HC - Hanother One
#87 - 2017-06-21 21:06:19 UTC
Farming isk has been far too easy for some. CCP profits are down. Manipulating plex prices to get people to buy it with $$$ is a sound business principle.
Teckos Pech
Patriotic Tendencies
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2017-06-21 21:18:44 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
PLEX is not a luxury. It can't be. Any more than ISK is a luxury.

PLEX is a medium of exchange. More a symbol than an item. Like ISK is not an item. You see it in your wallet but you can do nothing tangible with it.

You can't fit PLEX to your ship. Or research them in a lab run. Or mine them out of rocks. They are not an item so can't be a luxury. Just another way to write ISK.

Mr Epeen Cool
At least with oldPLEX, it was a luxury, at least the ability to purchase them from the market to pay for your game time. It was not needed for any in-game activity. It was purely used to mediate RMT between two players and you could play EVE without even knowing they existed and not have it impact on your game play. ISK is not a luxury as you could not play the game if you didn't know ISK existed.

Also, from the other side, you do not need to engage in RMT to play the game and buy power or resources from other players. That is also a luxury, one CCP added as a best solution to a problem rather than as a true feature to the the game.

Now though that PLEX is used to purchase other goods and services, perhaps you are more right. nuPLEX can be used for many more things than just to mediate the exchange of virtual assets for real-world cash of other players (or vice versa), including the storage of wealth or as a currency used to buy some items from CCP. It's still pretty optional from the core game, but there is much more utility than when GTC trading was sanctioned or when PLEX was first introduced.

That stopped being true when injectors dropped. If you want to do "serious" farming, guess what you need to get the flavor of the year with a lot of alts before it gets nerfed?

Yep.

Those things enabled the capship proliferation we've seen these past few months. Without them, the Rorqal and carrier spam would have taken a lot longer to materialize.


In other words, the problem is not injectors, but certain ships.....gee...who was saying that? Never mind.

PLEX are still luxury goods. The fact that they have more uses now, does not change this and may in fact enhance. After all, are skins a necessity? No. Are other spiffy things from the New Eden Store necessities? Nope.

The thing is with luxury goods as a person's income goes up a larger portion of their income is allocated to the luxury good(s).

Injectors are not really the issue other than being a bete noire for many.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Dotaros Kolar
Doomheim
#89 - 2017-06-21 21:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Dotaros Kolar
A market that can be abused by few ,this abuse conflicts with the interests of the majority.....

It NEEDS to be controlled by the owner.....

This fact is so simple that i don't get how someone can have another opinion....