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It is funny for you now, but what if you invested so much time and effort into something that will become meaningless now, how would you feel?

Yet another quality game change. Lets nerf all the high time / isk investment options. But not the ez ones like Wormholes or Incursions. Have you maybe taught of just nerfing the Rat Bounty instead of changing something that effect pvp as-well. Also nice nerf pass on the fighters and you still haven't fixed the Shadows. (Because 3.3bil isk DD totally worth it right guys?)

Gotta love CCP Dev team who changes the dumbest things. Lets add Fatigue so we can't have events like Asakai and B-R something which increased the player base so much.

Maybe if you made it so the content was easier to make the sink wouldn't get clogged with the crap content generation hairball you left in it...

:thinking: You are devs for a job and you basically drive players away with your changes... good way to keep a job right???

What about ECM vs Carrier?

Its still Possible to Perma Jam all the fighters with only one cheap t1 ecm frig. Its just ... not balanced.

Mm Mine n Refine. That explains the dumb. Kick Mine N Refine ;)

I'm not laying any blame. I was simply offering CCP a clear suggestion on how to fix their perceived problems which would avoid nerfs that impact everyone but are aimed at a region that should not be named.

I would get over it because when I was a kid, my mother taught me how to cope with frustration.

wow. just wow. as someone who recently got into capitals and has extracted skills to fly different things this is seriously disheartening. I don't fly alts I'm not wrecking the economy with 4 rorqs and 4 hulk pilots mining colossal on repeat. I don't have all the time in the world to dedicate to isk making I have a very busy work schedule. and now you've nerfed both ships I just got into to help support my one toon and be able to afford things with my limited play time. on top of that, how can you not see that its not null carriers that are destroying the economy? its the damn plex. that **** is outrageous right now. look at the price of injectors and extractors. if anything I would be thinking our null carriers are ratting to pay for pvp ships which in turn will be lost at some point and that isk never really does that much to the economy. to make rats target the fighters more so it costs carrier pilots more money to play the way they should be able to play. if they are so OP as you like to say, why do I constantly read about carriers getting blown up, capped out, etc etc. To me it looks like you folks are scrambling to try and stop the economic climb of isk but really haven't figured out the main reason so youre just gonna nerf all the money making options one by one. What about exploration? I had a friend that made 550mil in a couple hours doing that just yesterday. That's way more than a ratting carrier will make in that amount of time, at least a T1 Carrier pilot. The way you go about this is pretty frustrating as well. I literally changed my toon out yesterday for this, and then today, 4 days before you enact these amazing changes, you pretty much dissolve the return on my investment. The train for these ships is long, arduous, and the rewards should match this. 30% to heavy fighters? Look how expensive the Hel is!! Sure people can make them with their own materials but then do something about that. Increase the change for fighters to get popped? Great so now 1/3 of our nerfed income can go to replacing our fighters, which are also expensive? Stop hurting the honest players who are just trying to have some fun and live their life. the rorq is one thing, that's totally passive, but still there is an element of risk to it. carriers are super active, you cannot passively make isk with them. you cannot drop drones, orbit at 100, and collect. I think a greater look needs to be given to the actual problem here instead of trial and error nerfing. To quote the great Bill S Preston Esq and Ted Theodore Logan, "This is most non-triumphant."

time too stop playing !

Nobody likes to see his toy nerfed, but as it seems this was really an issue. So thanks for tackling it, even if it's surely a unpopular move.

Wouldn't a combination of applicaton nerf and a change in the NPC spawns in these sites (some more smaller ships the carrier has longer to chew on) have been better then this damage reduction? It put's the carrier in a difficult position PvP wise.

what kind of poor is using a carrier that is only 2.5bn fit....

Ew. Double carrier ratting just died for me. Gonna unpack my Ishtars and rat with 4-ish alts. Less effort, more money.

Adapt or die.