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I stated back when the December 07 show came out and saw Guards comments on changing all of pve to make it a sort of "group" experience that this was just a way to force players to spend more real money on Plex. That's all it is at this point. How can you fly doctrines without isk Income? How can you PVP without PVE income? Simple. Eve turns into a pay to play system of Plex. The silly thing is that CCP wanted more involvement in the space groups held and boy they sure got it.

My prediction was CCP would nerf individual PVE streams such as Rorquals and Super ratting which are some of the highest income streams for individual players and had been for years. What CCP fails to realize is that people don't pve for fun in high end groups, we pve to pay for our PVP. When you lose a doctrine ship or a dread or something of that nature in a big brawl (that CCP sort of markets to Bright eyed new players who they pray have a Credit Card and will inject and buy Plex to reach a level veteran player have)

You naturally need to replace it. What CCP fails to realize is in their greed ridden pay to win system of BUY PLEX NOW and ridding Eve of it's pve streams gradually is that now you are truly killing content for players. You give us less targets to hunt, you give us less big ships to destroy because dumb people like to fly big shiny ships, and you further alienate the concepts talked about during the release of Citadel when Supers and Titans were reworked and retooled to give then a new role with very big nerfs to hp and ewar immunity.

Odd how this isn't a dev post on the PvP ability of such ships but rather a economc view. Eve has trillions of isk in it's economy and has for over a decade. Why now the sudden shift towards killing individual income streams?

Because all CCP wants is for you to buy Plex with real money period. First they'll nerf Rorquals and Supers. Then theyll nerf anom repawns. Then they make it where capitals cannot run anoms or level 5 missions and instead encourage "group" pve like those stupid Blood Raider sites that can be ran in frigates as "high end pve" as a way to finally kill individual income. Welcome to the new Eve. Better whip out that credit card.

FYI CCP I've always paid for my 7 accounts with actual money. I hate the idea of having to pve for my subscription and my pve time is spent fueling my PvP for PL and my own endeavours. Keep this up and I think a few of us will just get so sick of the EA like way this game is headed and go find something else to play. Which is pretty sad. Don't make us buy Plex to PvP.

These changes won't hurt me that much as I am retired and have close to unlimited play time. My concern is for the person that works 40+ hours, has a family and other time consuming duties. He/she will now have to spend more time ratting so he/she can buy PvP ships for the weekend.



Resist

The amount of BS in this thread is amazing. People talking about some kind of plex conspiracy.

You all know that people rat and mine even now without Supers and Rorqs right? I use My Machariel and My Rattlesnake (and sometimes a Gila and/or Ishtar) to rat and do fine. I can fly a carrier, but i knew those were going to be nerfed so i didn't get hooked (also, Carriers can NOT use MJDs, FoF missiles or do DED 10/10s like my mach and snake can).

I'm sorry all of you fell for the FotM and didn't know better than to tie yourself down to something that a brain damaged monkey who paid attention to how CCP operates knew would eventually be nerfed. But you should not act like it's some kind of conspiracy, it's just CCP fixing their mistake over putting overpowered stuff into the game. Again.

If you actually think that carriers and supers are overpowered in PvP you should probably take some time and try playing your own game. Fighters are already incredibly easy to either jam out or defang to the point that you can become useless on field within seconds. There is really nothing like spending 2 bil on fighters only to watch them get shredded in 5 seconds.

Seriously diminishing the PvP capability of ships that are expensive, take a long time to train into, and are incredibly vulnerable on field especially in small group scenarios, just to try and fix nullsec PvE is an incredibly stupid excuse for a solution. Not to mention that your assertion that carriers and supers are somehow overpowered just shows that you literally don't know what you're talking about.

Once the risk outweighs the reward considerably they become less attractive and run far less meaning the product for the other guys whos had there incomes nerfed becomes unattainable.

All the while sp farms are making far more isk than ratting but hey thats ok as its removing plex from the market or people subbing those accounts and putting more money in ccps pocket than the guy carrier ratting so lets hit that guy and force him to sp farm so more $$$

Resist making more isk from escalations and having less isk stuffed into the economy with will probably translate into lower plex prices, meaning that ratters 4-6 months form now will have to rat LESS than they do now for game time?

Yea, resist that stuff, we like being Wal-Mart level wage slaves!

not empty quoting.

I understand that you dont want unlimited isk faucets, but you're doing it the wrong way. if you want to limit rorqual mining, then find a way to make it ******* aids to multibox, like supercarrier ratting is. the problem with rorqual minining isnt that it pays 200m an hour, its that i can run 10 accounts easily making 200m an hour. find a way to stop that, and youll solve your problem. We finally have ways for individuals to make good money in this game and you ******* nerf it. You made it possible for newer/more casual players to be able to effectively grind for their money, and now you are **** canning it. We actually had a way to combat the war chests of ******* PL and NC. and other groups who have corps with trillions of isk that can just passively **** money, simply by actually playing the game. I actually feel like im getting something from grinding in this game, same with my corp mates. if you nerf these income streams itll just feel ******* worthless, and ill just buy plex because i cant be arsed to ******* rat for 45m an hour.

But thats what you want, isnt it? me to buy ******* plex.

Instead of nerfing Carriers, which you actively have to control the fighters to make your money (and not get them killed), how about you do something about AFK VNIs? The cost/risk of a VNI is nothing compared to Carriers and you can just sit a bunch out and if one gets killed by a gang no biggy you've barely lost anything. Carrier i've lost 2.5-3b.

Terrible change.

In the case of both the Rorquals and Carriers, it's horribly myopic to punish everyone and destroy the rest of the game's balance more or less because AegisSov/Phoebe changes created the situations where PvE capitals be used too efficiently and without a modicum of risk when used at the right scale. The Rorqual never mined too much, and carriers never did too much damage - the problem is the current sov-system combined with short jump ranges creates bubbles of capital dominance that are incredibly hard to challenge.

When you buff the next ship class into viability, will there be anyone left who wants to inject to it?

You guys are ruining this game and this comes from somebody who barely rats. Isk making in this game is boring as all hell. You are nerfing t3cs that run dead sites, you are nerfing rorquals that mine and carriers that rat. The only thing left are high sec incursions that come at virtually 0 risk and provide absolutely 0 content for PvP players unless you'd like to go suicide ganking.

Wih moon towers slated to be removed next and shooting citadels being even less fun to shoot than red triangles what exactly is left in space to shoot? VNIs? Woohoo.

On and that ghost training people have made hundreds of billions from by now? Let's just ignore that little nugget altogether shall we? If you don't say anything maybe it will just go away right?