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In our recent dev blog we mentioned faction starbase industry structures in the following paragraph:


Well today is more details day!

This thread will cover discussion on the new set of faction structure rigs that will replace the Thukker Component Assembly Array structures.

For anyone not familiar with them, the existing Thukker Component Assembly Array structures are special faction versions of the Component Assembly Array starbase structures that provide an extremely strong material reduction bonus for constructing capital components and may only be anchored in Lowsec space. Since most industry has already shifted to Engineering Complexes and we are currently entering the early stages of phasing out starbase industry, we ended the manufacturing of new Thukker Component Assembly Arrays in our last release.

In the upcoming June release we plan to introduce a new set of faction rigs for Upwell structures that will replace the Thukker Component Assembly Arrays. These rigs will provide an improved bonus for material reduction when constructing capital components, and will only provide their strong bonuses when fit to an Upwell structure in Lowsec space.

These new rigs will provide a 7.03% material reduction for capital component manufacturing when in Lowsec. The L and XL variants will also provide the other standard bonuses of L capital component rigs and XL structure and component rigs at normal T1 levels when in Lowsec.
The build requirements for these rigs will be one built T1 rig plus some covert research tools.

The BPCs for these rigs will be distributed from the same Lowsec Besieged Covert Research Facility sites that previously dropped the old Thukker starbase structure BPCs. Within these sites there is a structure called the "Thukker Component Assembly Facility" which will have a chance of dropping an object called a "Thukker Capital Component Manufacturing Technical Data Chip" and this chip can be accessed to gain one BPC (it can provide BPCs for any of the three rig sizes).

Existing Thukker Component Assembly Array BPCs will be converted into these new Thukker data chips on patch day. We will also adjust the reprocessing output of the existing built Thukker Component Assembly Array to provide more materials back and provide one of the Thukker data chips for each reprocessed array.

The existing Thukker Component Assembly Arrays will continue to operate normally in June. Under the current plan the ME bonuses of the existing Thukker Component Assembly Arrays will be phased out in August so we advise existing users to make plans to switch.

These new rigs will be available on SISI soon when we deploy the 119.6 release for testing and we encourage interested players to experiment with them there.

This thread will be the place to ask questions and provide feedback on these new rigs. Thanks!

1. Will we be able to unfit T1 capital component rigs in low-sec for this? Or do we have to destroy.

2. Will there be any TE reduction? The thukker component array gave a very big one.

3. Be very careful with the droprate on these. I think they dropped about 1/10 times from besieged before and as a result there were 1000s of these very quickly. Reasonably theres probably only going to be 50-70 citadels fitting with these things in a year (due to their low-sec exclusivity). Please dont let them turn into basically useless loot as they were before.


edit: also what will happen to the old thukker BPCs that were unused before they stopped working.

Is that 7.03% after the standard 1.9x effectiveness bonus for lowsec? or is this rig structured differently, like 7.03% and only in lowsec and 0x bonus for other space?

What about adjusting the reprocessing rate in lowsec in tandem to achieve the lowsec cap production goal of Thukker arrays/rigs?

There is a big reprocessing penalty in lowsec, plus the ores/anomalies are worse in comparison to nullsec...

I'm not sure that lowsec mining needs to be penalised so heavily compared to nullsec as its roughly as dangerous as nullsec for mining, but is doubly less rewarding.

Lowsec reprocessing bonus is exactly halfway between highsec and nullsec. In contrast lowsec manufacturing and research rig bonuses are much closer to nullsec levels than to highsec levels. This rightly reflects the relative risk levels of manufacturing in more dangerous space.

I suggest that the lowsec reprocessing rate is brought closer to the nullsec reprocessing rate at the same time as the new thukker rigs are put in.

100 according to chaos leaks.

I do not understand, why the Hyasyoda becomes a modules and not a rig ...

Modules can be removed and used again. If a structure is shot / unanchored / abandoned, the rig is lost - more or less.

Keeps the demand on a higher level and makes it rare.

Isn't that a big nerf on the thukker which gets a 15% bonus at the moment? Or is this before applying the EC bonus to it?

Also, what about the job duration??? Currently the thukker gets a 25% reduction, how does it compare to the new rig?

So wait.

If I don't currently have a Capital Component Manufacturing Rig (or more open rig slots) in my EC because Ive been using the Thukker array in as POS I now need to drop another EC just to get my Thukker CCM Rig because it's not being incorporated as a module like the Hyasyoda Lab? Not super awesome for the fuel savings if I have to drop a whole extra EC and put the manufacturing modules in that I need to make it work. How many decades before the fuel savings pay off the cost of an Azbel?

Some deeper explanation of how the 7.03% is supposed to be figured into the math would be helpful. I appreciate that CCP is keeping the array in one form or another but keeping it viable would also be great. If the numbers get pushed to hard agaisnt the lowsec indy groups they'll just close up shop, sell what they can and go back to ratting as they wont be able to compete with the massive nullsec groups. A few % makes a huge difference in these markets.

Standup M-Set Advanced Component Manufacturing Material Efficiency I
Standup M-Set Basic Capital Component Manufacturing Material Efficiency I

Standup L-Set Advanced Component Manufacturing Efficiency I
Standup L-Set Basic Capital Component Manufacturing Efficiency I

Standup XL-Set Structure and Component Manufacturing Efficiency II



5 rigs in the end...

I've just tried to reprocess the thukker component assembly array on sisi in a 52% base yeld outpost with scrapmetal processing 5 toon (only thing that increses yeld of mods reprocessing afaik) for a total of 57,2% yeld....
...the "vaucher" for the new rig is there but unrecoverable... what reprocessing yeld is needed to get it?

and yes please increase bonus to lowsec industry structures: capital production is only thing that keeps lowsec worth the risk!!

other thing you should definitely do is to change the industry bonus rig system into modules/services: it's almost same thing you did with "industry Teams" couple years ago: these are too specialized!!
Actual industry rig system brings an absurd multiplication of structures... with all the maintenance job involved that sucks out playtime: chance it for god's sake!!