EVE General Discussion

For me, the most rewarding thing (which makes it fun) is the ability to adapt and overcome in order to succeed. "I want a bigger ship but I don't have the ISK and my current money making scheme isn't making enough?" figure it out. Pesky gate campers along my preferred route, go around or figure out how to beat the campers. "I'm a gate camper but the current fits/mechanics don't allow me to blap as many people as I did a year ago" figure new fits, ships. Small corp keeps getting wardec? Move or get a bigger group of players and form an alliance. etc.
CCP themselves alter the mechanics of the game often enough (somewhat) that you need to adapt to a changing universe. Adapting successfully is winning EvE and that's fun.

I suppose for a game that is niche it is clearly only meant for a certain type of player. It does however have the absolutely worse pve I have ever seen in a game. I know that it wasn't meant to be a pve game, but the content here is in some places so atrociously bad that is literally painful to play it.

The greatest majority of people just leave quietly when they don't like the game.

What's the agenda?

The point is this game needs better PVE content. Perhaps something more on rails, very fun and story centric, and they could also ad in some epic cutscenes!

I've tried joining various groups here and there and while some were quite interesting to be around it didn't last forever. Eve seems incredibly complicated for me at least. Perhaps it is simply just not for me at all. However, I want to like it, no really I do! I like the ships and their designs, the vastness of space, and the various economies players set up. Yet Eve doesn't seem like a game you can sit back,relax, and enjoy.

I suppose for a game that is niche it is clearly only meant for a certain type of player. It does however have the absolutely worse pve I have ever seen in a game. I know that it wasn't meant to be a pve game, but the content here is in some places so atrociously bad that is literally painful to play it. It just isn't entertaining in the log run, nor fun to do over and over again. You go to a station and click on a box and up pops some out of date dialog window telling you how important something is. It doesn't matter though, and the mission isn't important as it is simply the equivalent of a daily mission you can do over and over for a reward. You get sent out into a space to enter a room filled with targets that you shoot again and again. I don't know how to improve the way missions are but they are so uninteresting. Maybe pve isn't the primary focus of Eve but if anything hopefully the missions will be getting a rework in the future (esp mining and distribution?).

Market trading, economies, industry are all spreadsheet related things I don't care for. Maybe the game could do a better job of including more features to help players out without requiring third party applications? I realize the community is very talented, but I could care less about setting up spreadsheets and complicated programs just to play a game. I really can't say much about this because I don't care for it honestly. Industry and building things is something I would like to do in Eve but yet it seems pointless as well to me. An that is because I have no idea why I would even want to bother getting good at this to make isk when I don't know what I would do with it.

The game is mainly about two things: pvp and the economy. But largely it comes down to pvp. I don't find pvp in Eve fun frankly and I'm not entirely sure why. Fitting ships, different ships to chose from, and building up your skills to do something is all fun. Yet, when it comes down to it there seems to be something lacking in ship vs ship combat. It seems too bland, while also being at the very same time fairly complicated. You don't simply fly to a ship, orbit, and press f1. You have to know the ships you are up against, the fittings they might use, the holes they have in their resists, and how to counter each situation. You also need to know when you simply not bother and not engage. That doesn't include managing range and your velocity in relation to theirs to do as optimal dps as you possibly can in your limited engagement window. In the end it seems far too punishing. You can not only lose your ship, but your whole fit, and even your pod including implants you might have had as well. So in the end I think that this is the major deal breaker for quite a few. Eve isn't a game where you can just lose your avatar over and over again and keep coming back and still do damage without having lost anything.

In other games you can be practically naked and still contribute in a fight. You can walk up to a fully armored player in pvp and knock them out and steal all their stuff while naked. Eve however isn't like that. You have to have isk and you have to be able to afford to lose it when buying ships. Those ships have to be fitted, and I can't simply knock out a ship and steal its cargo and fitting then laugh at it in jest. Eve kicks you in the nuts and laughs at you for playing it instead. And that is probably the one thing that isn't marketed about it: Eve is the Demon's Souls of mmo space games. It isn't supposed to be fun necessarily but hard. The players make that even harder as they have been here far longer than anyone just joining. I mean basically by joining the game and undocking you are opening up a world of hurt! The game also relies heavily on the players to pull others in, and one of the very first things they can be greeted with is a mining corporation in high sec.

Which leads me to the last thing. Everyone in Eve is fighting for the part of Eve that makes it fun for them. And pretty much all of those things revolve around wrecking other peoples dreams and ambitions. Eve isn't fun! You guys all suck! I hate you all!

:(

Says the guy in an alliance that ran from their allies, as well as an amazing fight, during WWB. Maybe you should take your own advice?

I've tried joining various groups here and there and while some were quite interesting to be around it didn't last forever. Eve seems incredibly complicated for me at least. Perhaps it is simply just not for me at all. However, I want to like it, no really I do! I like the ships and their designs, the vastness of space, and the various economies players set up. Yet Eve doesn't seem like a game you can sit back,relax, and enjoy.

I suppose for a game that is niche it is clearly only meant for a certain type of player. It does however have the absolutely worse pve I have ever seen in a game. I know that it wasn't meant to be a pve game, but the content here is in some places so atrociously bad that is literally painful to play it. It just isn't entertaining in the log run, nor fun to do over and over again. You go to a station and click on a box and up pops some out of date dialog window telling you how important something is. It doesn't matter though, and the mission isn't important as it is simply the equivalent of a daily mission you can do over and over for a reward. You get sent out into a space to enter a room filled with targets that you shoot again and again. I don't know how to improve the way missions are but they are so uninteresting. Maybe pve isn't the primary focus of Eve but if anything hopefully the missions will be getting a rework in the future (esp mining and distribution?).

Market trading, economies, industry are all spreadsheet related things I don't care for. Maybe the game could do a better job of including more features to help players out without requiring third party applications? I realize the community is very talented, but I could care less about setting up spreadsheets and complicated programs just to play a game. I really can't say much about this because I don't care for it honestly. Industry and building things is something I would like to do in Eve but yet it seems pointless as well to me. An that is because I have no idea why I would even want to bother getting good at this to make isk when I don't know what I would do with it.

The game is mainly about two things: pvp and the economy. But largely it comes down to pvp. I don't find pvp in Eve fun frankly and I'm not entirely sure why. Fitting ships, different ships to chose from, and building up your skills to do something is all fun. Yet, when it comes down to it there seems to be something lacking in ship vs ship combat. It seems too bland, while also being at the very same time fairly complicated. You don't simply fly to a ship, orbit, and press f1. You have to know the ships you are up against, the fittings they might use, the holes they have in their resists, and how to counter each situation. You also need to know when you simply not bother and not engage. That doesn't include managing range and your velocity in relation to theirs to do as optimal dps as you possibly can in your limited engagement window. In the end it seems far too punishing. You can not only lose your ship, but your whole fit, and even your pod including implants you might have had as well. So in the end I think that this is the major deal breaker for quite a few. Eve isn't a game where you can just lose your avatar over and over again and keep coming back and still do damage without having lost anything.

In other games you can be practically naked and still contribute in a fight. You can walk up to a fully armored player in pvp and knock them out and steal all their stuff while naked. Eve however isn't like that. You have to have isk and you have to be able to afford to lose it when buying ships. Those ships have to be fitted, and I can't simply knock out a ship and steal its cargo and fitting then laugh at it in jest. Eve kicks you in the nuts and laughs at you for playing it instead. And that is probably the one thing that isn't marketed about it: Eve is the Demon's Souls of mmo space games. It isn't supposed to be fun necessarily but hard. The players make that even harder as they have been here far longer than anyone just joining. I mean basically by joining the game and undocking you are opening up a world of hurt! The game also relies heavily on the players to pull others in, and one of the very first things they can be greeted with is a mining corporation in high sec.

Which leads me to the last thing. Everyone in Eve is fighting for the part of Eve that makes it fun for them. And pretty much all of those things revolve around wrecking other peoples dreams and ambitions. Eve isn't fun! You guys all suck! I hate you all!

:(

Try joining something like the hogs collective, they are involved, informed and have tutorials out the wazoo for newbros, plus some usual website signup stuff. So long as they don't actually think you're a spy it should be great.