Missions & Complexes

goodness that is a lot of alt-tabbing, and here I cba to dual box missions these days.

Chaisaw, thanks much for the help man! You're right about the rattlesnake. Using it only a short while has already been pretty frustrating. I wouldn't know how long I would be able to last if I didn't warp to a snipe position. For some odd
reason my shields drop pretty fast (my rattlesnake build is above on this thread). I'm wondering if there are holes in my skills, but I'm not seeing any. Gallente BS is lvl 4 which should help with resists. I'm sporting sentries and a Gecko just in case
my overall damage is at 1300dps which is lower than I would've imagined i've seen many get over 1600dps but I'm guessing that's with lvl 5's and implants to get that high. I may just drop my MWD for a MJD and see how that goes. Although in doing that I'll never be able to loot anything :)

I suggest you fit differently that ship, drop those expensive modules and go for a passive T2 tank, then with a mobile depot switch from a huge tank to huge dps, and adapt to every different situation. Rattlesnake is not a good sniper, I'm not saying it can't do it, it's just not the best for that.

Huge passive tank is shield power relays in lows, shield hardeners and extenders in the Mids, and shield purgers in the rigs.
After you have killed some NPCs and diminish the incoming DPS you can switch to damage modules in the lows.
As for drones... 2 Gardes, 2 Wardens and 2 Ogres/ 1 Gecko will handle almost anything and a flight of lights of course.
Rattle has enough mid slots to also place some target painters, those will help both weapon systems the missiles and the drones.
The mobile Depot... It allows a wide range of possibilities to the rattle, just place a bunch of different modules in your cargo hold and start testing switching fits.

All the advices you have been given here can be tried inside the same mission at any time just by deploying the depot.

domi sentry = 600 ish dps.
BUT very good apply.

Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field => drop that and get specialized hardeners. for guristas, therm.
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script => drop them. add in a second hardener (guristas, kine)
the second one may be replaced by a MJD, a T2 invul, a cap recharger.
Cap Booster 800 II => drop it and get a large cap battery II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II & Large Warhead Flare Cat II those are supposed to help you apply however your main damage comes from drones because they already have better apply . a Cap control circuit/capacitor safeguard would help with capa issues ; you can also use a shield rig that reduces boost cycle time( can't remember the anme) the capa is not an issue.

for the same price tag you can have



it is not cap stable but has a good 700 ehp/s vs blood/sansha.

if you can afford, a gist x-large booster has same rep but better cap management AND less fitting requirement.

don't care about 600 dps with all the application in the world pretty much all my mission ships do double that with enough application.

the rattler has split weapons, the drones and missiles are about equally important there are situations in each mission where you will want to use one over the other but imo that all balances out. Things like use fury on bs/bc, sentries on frigs on approach, gecko on frigs in orbit, free fire at whatever is left with all the damage.

specific hardeners are better if unfamiliar with the missions, but with experience invulns are nice as you never have the wrong ones and don't need to waste time swapping. 1 shiny invuln + resist bonus gives better resists than 2 t2 invulns and no resist bonus, the tank is adequate.

also I'd rather use the cap booster, the single battery doesn't really do much, and the three safeguards don't really seem to do enough to be worth keeping. A mix of cap rigs and safeguards might be, but fury needs all the help it can get with application so I'd keep the rigor+flare. your 700 ehp/s claim I dunno where that came from, adding a em+therm hardener I'm seeing 324 sustained tank with an 807 burst. plenty for missions but a rather inefficient use of slots imo.

Using cap booster and charges in PvE seems a waste: 1) the added cost and hassle to use decrease profit/mission and 2) the cargo bay on a 'snake is pitiful; those cap 400/800 eat up a ton of space if you plan to loot and that lowers profit/mission. A well designed passive tanked Rattlesnake doesn't have to worry about cap or shield boosting., maximizes cargo space with no need for booster charges or mobile depot, and is well tanked for all factions. I know that the OP doesn't have the skills atm, but this fit gives him one form of the Rattlesnake that is (over) well-tanked and gives him 1200+ damage:

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Range Augmentor II

Pithum -C Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum- C Adaptive Invulnerability Field
LSE II
Pithum -B EM Shield
Pithum -B Therm Shield
Large MJD
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (script)

Shield Power relay II
Federation Navy Drone Damage Augmentor
Federation Navy Drone Damage Augmentor
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

3x Large Core Defense Field Purger II


Now I know it both falls somewhat along the lines of both guigui lechat's build/suggestion, as well as needing way too much in skill needs and build costs for the OP. RHML IIs add 100 more dps, but shorten range. I tend to waver between both weapon systems. The resistances for me are 85/88/84/87 with over 183k EHP. Yes, way over tanked and blingy; only used in HS However, I've fallen asleep too often doing missions and woke up a bit later to see a full cleared room. Using either Kinetic or Thermal (or in the case of a Gecko/omni), I am always both correctly tanked and weaponed and don't have to worry about either cap ,shield boosting in mission, or forgetting to switch hardeners between mission. Being cap stable (short of BR mission neuts) means that the cargo bay can be used for ammo and whatever loot he can cram in per mission. I do agree with Chainsaw that the Rattlesnake just has too many flaws to be used on a regular mission basis for me; I prefer either a Paladin or Kronos for rapid NPC reduction and full looting for each mission (the Golem is also used, but Caldari LP for faction ammo is tighter for me). I'm also too lazy to multibox/account, so my Marauders do the heavy lifting. Any build for PvE that keeps management simple and costs down greatly increase the chance of profit and minimizes risk. Whatever choices you make, try to remember to keep any build simple for PvE.

pretty much every volley I fire costs more than the cap boosters I use on the average mission, cap boosters are super cheap. and the rattler has plenty of cargo room.

and I don't like the passive tank, gives up a lot of application, although that can be okay if your intent is to semi afk with it. I much prefer to focus on active running.

I prefer running a 100mn Ishtar or a Gila for LvL 4's but this Rattler setup is pretty much easy mode;

[Rattlesnake, PVE]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Gecko x1
Bouncer II x2
Berserker II x2
Acolyte II x5

With my skills Bouncers hit to 80k, Rapid Heavy's hit to 60k. The Rapid heavies I found will even hit frigates quite well. Just jump in, MJD to 100 and wait for stuff to come into range or motor back a bit.

Of course you have to adjust your mid slot tank for where you are running missions.

It became too easy and that is why I prefer using the Ishtar or the Gila. Ran a few in a Wolf, but takes too long if there are a lot of ships.

anyone asking for what to expect in L4 is a newbro.


also carrying mtu may or may not be worth it, depending on the mission, and the skills.
using a shiny tool is a way to get safety for newbros. because yes, safety increases a lot with skills AND cost.