EVE General Discussion

I think the "problem" is the idea that Devs must be responsive to all the scatter-brain development proposals made by every armchair "stakeholder" that seems to hang on the wall a bit longer than the other DOA ideas frequently due to the bot-like nature of their constant noise.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good ideas out there. But many would be more suited in a totally different game.
Not all good ideas can, or even should be considered to actually have development time in any given game.

One should not take offensive if their "pet" idea to solve all of Eve's problems land like a lead balloon to the greater community.

The idea of "too many cooks" come to mind.

One person's special snowflake may be someone else's power ranger.

Agreed. I phrased my post that way as a reference to the Infinity Ziona meltdown thread

Now THAT was an entertaining thread. Thanks for posting. It started great and only got more epic as it went.

Well it was the destruction of emergent gameplay, not crying but if you want to call it crying feel free. In any case you don't know the difference between where or were so there you go....

CODE "members" have been screwed.
Which makes the CODE concept twice as hilarious, successful, and eminently EVE.

Did you idiots think CODE cares about you?
CODE is cashing out, and you arent getting a single isk for it.

Member Salvos?
Member Kusion?
Member when CODE blew up that ship?

I member.

Sure, no doubt there would be different results if they looked at different time windows. But CCP Rise was trying to figure out why new players don't stay with the game, and if 95% of them don't make it past the trial, then it is this window that is most relevant. Therefore, numerically it is much more important what factors keep a person playing past those first few weeks, and being exploded non-consensually turns out not to be a negative factor. I get that some people try to wrongly over-extend that correlation to say ganking is great for the game which as you point out may not be true if you look at retention of players in a longer time window, but the fact that Eve Online has such a poor retention rate during the first weeks (or even hours!) means CCP is very correct to focus on that window for what they are trying to do and given how many players go away at this point. It isn't "BS propaganda" to look at what player experiences correlate with making that initial decision to stay past what was the old trial time.

Why would CCP need propaganda anyway? It's their game and they can do what they want. I also believe it is completely in their best interests to figure out what factors keep players from getting into, and staying with the PvP sandbox game they have built rather than to try to deceive the player base as part of some shadowy HTFU conspiracy. I don't believe them liars, or disingenuous, and I expect they are as capable as anyone of parsing their massive collection of logs and trying to extract correlations and relationships, and make evidence-based hypotheses they can use to guide their development of the game or even test directly as CCP Rise and his group did with the Opportunities system. As he said:



This seems all perfectly reasonable to me and not "propaganda".

In aggregate, the data show that new players are not negatively affected by being exploded by criminals or during wardecs. They are much more likely to drift away by not engaging with other players and succumbing to the confusing and boring game Eve can be if you make no connections or have no interactions with other real people. That isn't universal, and I am sure they are happy soloists who took to the game instantly and still rarely interact, but in aggregate, of all the people who tried, this is the most common experience. And yes, none of this says anything about what keeps them playing the game say six months down the line.

Wardecs are a major way for players to interact in highsec. That means, they will always be around in some form no matter how much the people who seem to be playing the wrong game whine to CCP. These types, like the OP, would be much happier either just staying in the NPC corp or by finding another game altogether where you are intended to be able to control who interacts with you.

CCP's own survey has showed that new players who have been ganked are more likely to stay than those who mine all days in peace.