EVE General Discussion

If memory serves, the "player pressure" that dev's supposedly caved to was not the complaints of the incompetent but the uncontrolled and rampant toasting of CONCORD by players who were organised and disciplined.

It seems to me the Empires are losing their hold on high and low security space, lore-wise, perhaps in preparation for the overweening power of capsuleers to reduce hisec to a few starter constellations. That would work very well, since endless harvesting of the crumbs in the rookie pond is the problem as i see it.

Declaring others flawed because they disagree can be funny, but still irrelevant.

Agreed. But if you want a continous state of war then the place for it is Null, not High sec.
Just coming back to the initial topic that was continous wardec.



That only reinforces that the game needed some degree of safety for begineers or some types of players.

The real hard truth is that many people wants some safety for themselves.
Otherwise they would just move to places without such rules as Low or Null.

I totally agree with you.
That mechanic needs to be reworked.

When first starting to play I put up a corp for me and my brother in highsec,
within a month we got a wardec that lasted for what felt like an eternity.

We didn't loose a single ship or died to a single gank, but we just could not play the way we wanted anymore, running missions and mining, so we both quit for a good few years.

Yes, that's lost revenue.



What's noticeable from the mostly one-sided point of view in these replies it's obvious that only a certain group of players are active in this thread..
This is however not the consensus among players, so don't give up!

Have you been to Highsec in the last couple of years? I mean it takes only a hand full of brain cells to make sure you are almost 100% secure without having to worry about anyone. So you are either extremely exaggerating the situation to push your agenda for a full removal of ganking or you are just bad at EVE.

Also to suggest that Highsec is more dangerous or terrifying compared to other places where people completely stop undocking because they have a guy with a cloak in local is just laughable and you know it.

Touchy.

"treats players like they can think for themselves", I suppose thats why they've added, citadels, safety settings, simplified scanning, simplified map, and a simplified tactical overlay, as well as skill injectors. I know you don't want to see it, but CCP is milking eve for all its current players are worth with the endless introduction of microtransactions. What I want is not to turn eve into McDonalds, whatever that means, but to make it appeal to more than only the narrow niche that currently play it.

The reason eve has stuck around so long is because its playerbase has become so incredibly cut off from the outside world, that player feedback essentially means you getting your way. CSM for example and the heavy null representation. You are holding this company hostage whether you admit it or not. If you weren't you'd be interested in seeing eve grow and would try to do that in a way that doesn't hurt what you like about eve now.

This is the truth.

/1.0highsecganker

Just one more thing about the wardec thingy:

You are afraid you'll lose your precious ships while in war?
You don't want to lose any isk at all?
You still want to play the game during war?

Why not take that opportunity to prepare for the next war and train to fight back?
Create fits for pvp fleet, define roles for boost, rep, scouting, tackling, dps.
Buy the ships, fit them and make sure they are ready to go.

Now wait for your next wardec. Your corp mates whine and complain that they cannot undock anymore, the game mechanic sucks and so on.

Schedule PvP training sessions to get your corpies entertained. Because you don't want to lose isk meet at the test server.
Explain (or let someone with pvp experience) the pvp mechanics, how to move, rep, etc.
Create two teams who can fight each other in training sessions.

People will be entertained during the wardec, your corp will be prepared to fight next time, and i am pretty sure many will actually enjoy it.

the whole gtfo thing usually only comes out when someone comes in complaining about core aspects of eve. It is better that the core aspects remain along with the integrity of the game rather than pander to people who are only half interested. If I went on some other game's forums and said I hated everything about it and wanted to change it to whatever I want, I think GTFO is a perfectly valid response. We play this game and presumably we mostly like it the way it is.

Head over to new citizens Q&A sometime, every player that posts saying they are new and need help with something get it. Eve has many problems and even more solutions. Us players love offering our solutions to help others get through their problems. And I don't know if you've ever been to fanfest or an evemeet, but every time I've been everyone has been awesome. beers and high fives all around. Everyone is blue in RL.

now I'll admit freely and have in the past that many parts of the wardec system are just broken, however there is no good easy way to fix it either. pretty much anything I've ever seen proposed is easily abused. Risk free isn't a good thing, however mitigated risks work with the system of eve, and there are many ways to mitigate risk. By most definitions I'm a giant freaking carebear and yet no one bothers me. Why? because I've learned to mitigate the risks. Also I don't mind a war, my usual day to day operations don't require me to undock. and if I want to undock it is a perfectly good excuse to go run around in low/null/wh space for a week.

OP..Tldr.. if the way Eve is played is not what you like..why are you playing it?

Would you buy season tickets to hockey if you thought it was too violent? Of course not. Find a game that suits your style and stop whining about it. Quit expecting the world to change for you and either accept what it is or go elsewhere. There are plenty of tame games out there. Stop trying to make people believe it's something more than your own want for reward without risk. To come here and expect the game to change for you is not only selfish, but just plain ridiculous. We pay for the game too..the difference is, we know what eve is, accept it, and embrace it. If you can't accept it..if it's not the kind of play style you like..take your money and your tears elsewhere.

This is obviously not the "safe place" your looking for....

All you and your brother had to do was click once each and the war would go away and you could go back to mining and missioning in relative safety. Why would you sit in a station for a week or more if you didn't want to fight?

It's a serious question. CCP has provided a 100% effective and instant way to get out of wars. Why don't new players just use that instead of whining about it on the forums or quitting the game? Is it just that new players don't understand the mechanics? Or have the been trained to view corps as purely a social entity from other MMOs rather than the competitive 'team' they are in Eve Online? Is this something either stricter controls on corp creation, or better education can fix to keep players in the game?

But more fundamentally, the reality is that Eve online will never let you "play the way you want" in isolation from the other players. It is a competitive PvP sandbox game for crying out loud. You are always going to be in competition with other players who may want the resources you are after or the stuff that you have. The sooner players realize this, and how this vulnerability to other players contributes to creating our shared virtual universe and economy, the better. The ones that refuse to accept that and demand a "safe space" where they can do their thing? Well they are the ones we tell to HTFU or GTFO. Why should CCP or the players who love Eve tolerate calls from these selfish players to break the core ideas of the game design to suit their personal whims?

CCP has stuck to their guns for almost 14 years now and isn't going to suddenly change now. Aze asked CCP Fozzie last week about wars on the Talking in Stations after-chat and it was clear from his answer that wars are nowhere near being on anyone's agenda to work on meaning we will have to live with them as is for several years more at least. But the fact is they are largely working fine, and while I have issues with a lack of conflict drivers to give meaning and objectives to wars, the idea that one group of players can interact and disrupt another group of players (thus preventing them from "playing how they want") is completely intended and will be present in any future war revamp.

Bullying. Meh. Let's not devalue the term by applying it to novice players in a PvP video game, or players that are just playing the wrong video game. There is a 'quit' button in the Eve client and a power button on every PC running the game. Just use them if you consider yourself being "bullied" and those supposed bullies will magically disappear unlike for victims of real-life bullying.