EVE General Discussion

The general MMO genre is in decline AFAIK, less people are playing them, any decline in numbers is probably following the overall trend for the MMO market.

CCP have stayed fairly true to their original goal of an unsharded universe where everything is PvP, as former players of an infamous game that allowed similar things to Eve they are very aware of what happens when you change the game drastically in order to attract people from outside your normal demographics. Big game changes would hopefully be made with player feedback taken into consideration and much discussion, they learnt that lesson during the summer of rage.

The Alpha clone state merely opens an unlimited trial to an expanded demographic, the retention rate itself probably won't improve, the retained numbers on the other hand might. Eve isn't for everybody, there are loads of games out there that appeal to a far wider audience, as a niche game Eve has little competition.

Not sure if it is possible to revert this... I think this would be a great move though! Anyway there are more things which can be done in controlled environment of hi-sec. Why not start making tons of events like "pirate titan @Hek" or "pirate fleet of BC @jita"? All is needed is Game Master and perhaps some pilot-volunteers ... Or maybe concord could lost controll for some time over some systems (incursion like) - so in these system concord wouldn't be able to deploy "regular" IDDQD against pvp offenders?

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The only way to learn pvp is to loose ships, this has always been the case, no I don't expect a bunch of HS pve corps to put up a solid fight their first time round, or their 10th time, but each loss will start letting them cut their teeth.

and you are also vastly under estimating the power of numbers.
lets say each HS corp can only pull together 10 pilots each who have at least some basic combat skills, lets say they can fit out a t2 tanked frigate with meta guns as the low end of the spectrum.
well you get 5 of those corps together, and you now have 50 pilots, slap a few of them into logi ships and you now have a VERY effective fleet. doesn't matter if the individal skill of each pilot is low, swarm tactics work, especially in HS where smartbombing isn't an option.

hell, 50 people in rookie ships can do some serious damage (as goonswarm showed in their very early days)

sure, some wardec corps have the numbers to counter a swarm like that, but not many. and sure, some corps might want to keep the dec going if they are getting content, but if so many of them are "just looking for easy kills" they are gonna be dropping the dec pretty fast once their killboard starts turning red to losses to rookie ships.

if they dock up, turn their own tactics against them, hellcamp them into the station, or bait them out, have a standing fleet a couple of jumps away and throw a disposable miner into a belt. when they engage jump on them.

the tools are all there, and there is absolutely nothing stopping you from using them. sure you will loose some ships along the way, but frigates are cheep, and corvettes are free. go out there and blow some **** up.

handholding and coddling doesn't do anyone any good.

Not true. It diverged to stupid after a number of years.

Having said that regarding the OP wars are easy to avoid. Disband and run the corp through chat Chan's. Utility is not as good, corp hangers etc but it can be done

or it means that the MMORPG genre as a whole is experiencing a decline, frankly the fact that a game as old as eve has held its playerbase as steady as it has, while many much newer games have already folded or completely hemoraged to the point of being practically non-existant anymore. is a testament to the fact that CCP has something good here, and should meddle with that formula very carefully lest they loose the key component that has given it so much sticking power.

"EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time." - quoted from CCP Falcon.

Thanks for the link, it is great to know we got a honest community manager pointed out the true nature of EVE. For me, I should read more before I come back to this game and re-subed. Tho I do enjoy the beautiful space scenery, I admit I simply overlook the 'harshness' of this game after I read Falcon's post.

CCP by far would not mind player conflicts at all.

Conflicts -> War/PVP -> Asset lost -> need isk to sustain -> buying plex to make it up -> profit for Eve

simple as above. High sec ganking is just part of this formula. For me who likes to relax and mine in high sec, this game is obviously not for me anymore. I will not continue the subs after my current subs is over, I will miss the nice space scenery but that's about all I can say on Eve. Yes, I am just one player but I believe there are more like me who do not speak up before departing. Good luck and no, you can not have my stuff after I leave the game

Hi Sec is just the shallow end of the pool, but you can still drown there if you are not careful.

Hi Sec, Low Sec, Null Sec and WH Space are simply variations in the terrain of the game. The point should be to add more variation, not to make all space the same.

So no, we shouldn't remove Hi Sec just because some players' idea of what it should be doesn't jive with how the owners of the IP think it should be.

Yeah except CCP Falcon has no clue what he's talking about. Its that sort of ignorance from the replacement devs that's made EvE stale and unappealing.

Highsec was designed to be relatively safe not harsh and terrifying.

Learning how to avoid wartargets and ganking IS one of the most basic fundamental aspects of the game.

it is a skill that you need not only in HS but in low, null, and WH space as well. it is fundamental to remaining safe and enjoying the game. no matter where you are.

they also already have a system in place for players to learn the bare bones of the game in complete safety, those are the NPC corps.
Mining isn't rocket science, neither is industry, or pve, it really shouldn't take more than a few days to understand the basics, but if the person wants longer, they have all the time they need before moving on to a player corp.

once you join a player corp you have left the "safe" newbie area and are ready to engage with the rest of the game, at that point pvp, and indeed wardecs get introduced. this is something that you will need to deal with for the entire rest of your eve career, and it is your responsibility to learn and understand those mechanics, or for your corp to teach you.

don't feel you are quite ready yet to join the big leagues and make your mark on the universe, well thats fine, simply drop corp and you will revert back to an npc corp where you will be immune to wardeccing. (of course ganks are still possible, but this is eve, no where is ever truly safe. nor should it be.)



you do know that in the early days, back in beta, high sec didn't even exist right? that implies that the "natural" state of eve. as originally designed, had ZERO safety mechanics in place.

even a after that happened concord was MUCH slower, and much weaker, it was only after the dev's caved to player pressure that it was made as overly safe as it is now.

so saying that the "replacement dev's are ignorant" is blatantly false. if anything they should be pushing high-sec back, to make it even more dangerous, if they really wanted to respect the original spirit of the game.

GTFO is not a good business incentive for CCP. Such elitist meme is bullying which is why Eve has a toxic community.