EVE General Discussion

Yea it's specifically when people start equating a game's pixel lives as real ones that I really start to lose it.

Ohboy, you guys are bad at metaphors.

I play the game as it is. I dont care about CODE,
wardecs et.c. Im just sailing along exploring in WH and null.

Occasionally getting killed (mostly rats lately).

The OP stated that Eve is losing customers to bullying so
I try to figure out whats in the minds of CCP.

Its unfortunate to see a revision of history where ever that happens.

I have no doubt that many here still playing today are supporting these versions of Eve history simply because it is inline with their desired form of gameplay.

I've always thought that this game might fade away because of lack of refreshment in what many find exciting in this game.

But what I suspect will happen is the unintended re-enforcement of narrow-minded game design based upon large scale selective memory of who is still around focused upon pigeon-holed ideals at the expense of everything else that made this a good game.

There is no doubt many have left this game since their form of gameplay is no longer supported or far more difficult than is used to be and that it is worth.

I have seen that in my own Corps over the years.


The range of gameplay in Eve has narrowed while the depth of that now narrow vision has deepened, at the expense of a significant loss of player base which is somewhat hidden by the increase in players who are used to this more narrow vision of the game.


What is almost worse is the obvious group-think that is occurring on these forums where the most active, and by definition, the most likely supportive of what is occurring in the evolution of this game are actively hounding and berating anyone who dares to disagree with them.

This online community as a group has become close-minded to anything that challenges their conception of what is and what should be. It has become jaded.

I don't see any way to correct this, other than by Dev to go against the grain to try and force out this oligarchical-group of vocal long term players and the like-minded at the risk of alienating them and failing to attract that new blood or the ones who have left in the past.

As a casual player of this game over the last 12+ years these changes in the nature of this game and its community have become quite clear. But I can see why so many would not see it.

As the saying goes, a frog will jump out of boiling water if you drop him straight into it but he will allow himself to be boiled to death if the temperature is raised slowly enough.

I think that analogy applies to the evolution of this game as well and the narrow focus on just a few of many aspects which made this game so good to so many in the beginning now only really appeals to a much smaller subset of players.

Those few divergent game design ideas in isolation didn't make this game so good, but as components of a larger group, they did.

Unfortunately many of those still around from the old days probably don't care about all the lost players who feel their desired gameplay, due to their RL situation, has become too difficult to purse. But their subs will be missed.


Eve has become too focused on a few game design ideals to appeal to the larger player base that it used to appeal to.
And so many are totally blind to that.

Now i couldn't take part in a conversation on game design for long without revealing the shallowness of my knowledge, but i'm pretty sure EvE has always been a niche game.
I'm also sure that games that appeal to large player bases are generally lame in every particular.

Threads where players blerf about game design and where CCP should go business-wise have always sounded to me like the pin-headed hooting of ravers who yell at the DJ: "Ay have ya got that choon that goes dunka-dishka dunka-dishka?"

HS was never intended to be safe, it was intended to be safer....if you put effort into it. And banning? People don't get banned for suicide ganking.

Indeed it is. I'm hoping it will prompt the likes of Dracvlad, Infinity and Herzog to look into what Elite 1 was and how it was played. Eve was always going to be dark and unforgiving because thats exactly what the founder wanted. I must say I respect the original founder and I also respect that CCP has remained true to the original game.

Don't be shy with the like button guys....hehehe

I've Quoted some of the article, I've also bolded a section where it shows clearly that the harsh pvp combat was championed by the original designer.

There isn't a screenshot in all of existence that can disprove the direct assertion from the devs themselves that highsec was never intended to be safe. Now if you can find us a dev that contradicts that, by all means, provide us the only evidence that would be relevant to this topic. Then we can have a discussion about devs contradicting each other. Until you have that though, your 'screenshot' is entirely irrelevant. Highsec was never meant to be safe, never ever ever.

Edit: Oh I see. You posted a link to a quote from an old dev who was wrong doesn't work at CCP anymore. Well given how the rest of the dev team have always asserted otherwise, we can just dismiss this silliness as a bit of subjective validation on your part. The fact that high sec space has never been safe is enough evidence that it was never intended to be. As soon as they disable all player weapons in high sec, then we can talk about how safe it is meant to be.

I don't even have to be awake to destroy his arguments...

It's somewhat telling that they have moved onto picking out spelling and going for personalities rather than addressing any points made. Once again this anti highsec pvp crowd have yet to post any evidence that backs up anything they have thus far said. Meanwhile the mountain of evidence posted against what they say is ever growing.

Yes, I've read that screenshot and I think you are wrong in your take on it. Completely and totally wrong. And CCP did a number of mis-steps early on. And the game has evolved and changed.

Who wrote anything like that, I wrote it was an interesting read? Don't be a complete ass. I don't usually agree with, but come on. The guy wasn't being an a--hole because he is an a--hole (well okay, maybe he was one) but from the article he was in over his head and not reacting well.

Further, it sounds like the early people developing the game largely agreed with his vision. And his vision wasn't to help people fly the ship, but for each to fly their own ships.