EVE General Discussion

Denial doesn't change the reality. If CCP caters to ignorant lowbrows (not pointing fingers at anyone) who make ignorant posts about how important they are to EvEs success (while its obviously struggling) they will continue to fail.

I imagine when PCU is down to 2 one of those two will be someone like the above ganking the other , a noob and blaming lack of targets on imaginary CCP nerfs to ganking :)

You're absolutely right, but the denial of reality is your own. As for EVE growing consistently until 2013, that much is demonstrable quite easily, regardless of what screenshots you have. Numbers don't lie. You, however, do, and have done so frequently in the past, so accusing me of it is little more than the hypocrisy of an irrelevant worm.

Don't forget that at the end of the race you might get lucky and enjoy watching him cry.

It's almost like people choose to ignore what I'm saying on purpose. I was quite specific about EVE's consistent growth up to 2013. I never said anything about now, when the game has indeed been made much more carebear friendly than it was four years ago. There is an interesting correlation there, one that people without a tendency for wilful ignorance or subjective validation will pay very close attention to.

As for people teasing the people they blow up, I will refer you to the first post I made on this thread: if actual bullying is taking place, file a ticket. CCP have logs. So do you. If this is actually happening, then use the evidence and stand up for yourself by filing a ticket. Posting forum threads about legitimate bullying is completely 100% useless. That being said, smacktalk is not bullying, and neither is your definition of people being treated like ****. This may not be clear to you, you might be a little young or new to the game to understand this concept, but the only respect that anyone owes you is that which is demanded by the game's EULA. Beyond that, it's open season, unless you earn it. Welcome to EVE.

yo bro!

what do you have against 30 years old behaving like 12 years old????????????????
i find it pretty legit

#ImmatureForever #NotGonnaGrowUp #AdultsSuck

Your analogy is a bit "straw man" mate.

That's cool. You should play for your own reasons.

This difference in view of the game probably also explains why this thread is repeated every month ad nasuem. Some people view Eve as spaceship fighting game where they are only competing with people in defined contest - either a specific battle, or maybe a war over an objective - but still just view Eve as a spaceship combat game. They are correct in deciding that shooting a target from a position of overwhelming advantage isn't much of a challenge and thus decide people who do so are "lame" (or choose another of your favourite pejorative).

Then you have people that view Eve as more of a strategic game where the challenge is maneuvering the other players into a position where you can explode them to further your objective. These players gain the satisfaction from winning their objective, not necessarily the fight itself. They don't care that the battle has been determined in advance and just want to achieve their greater strategic goals.

Personally, I fall into the second camp. It would be silly not to take your opponent's bishop if they make a blunder as it will further your objective of winning the chess match. It would also be silly not to race a legless person if you are put up against one in a competition to win the most medals at a Track and Field competition say. Now, if you are in it just for the race itself, I totally get that it would be absurd to participate in such a race, but if you are trying to accomplish something greater with that win, you should totally take it.

I am confident CCP has built Eve with more of the second view of the game in mind - a true open-world competitive universe where things like Baltec's recounting of the Goon ice interdiction can emerge, but I think it is great that all sorts of players from people who always avoid PvP, or who seek out honourable battles against worthy opponents, to those who purposely prey on the weak can play the game their way. It does make for a lot of wrangling on the forums though when the Space Samurais or the Carebears propose changes that are just not compatible with the core design of the game, or worse, ascribe often false motivations for the activities of the other players that attack them.

Everyone wants new players to have a fun experience while getting immersed into our shared cutthroat universe. The disagreements only arise when some players (like the OP) use that aim as a justification as to why they too should get more safety and be given the opportunity to collect resources without risk. That is not going to happen. You will never be given complete mechanical safety and real access to affect our shared universe whether you are a true new player or a veteran.

Instead of begging CCP to tilt the competitive game in your favour, the OP's best bet to help new players is to teach them the mechanics and help them learn to mitigate the intended risks. This is suppose to be a competitive game, not a FarmVille-in-space grinding clone. Teach them the skills they need to compete rather than telling them they are victims of morally bad, sociopathic basement-dwelling tear-collectors and not to undock. There are a hundred good reasons to shoot other players in this game, and 'for the thrill of a fair fight' is only one of them, but ultimately, in the end it doesn't even matter as all reasons are valid reasons. This is a video game where shooting each other (and building things to shoot each other) is the intended primary game play and whether someone shoots you because they were bored and you were the first target they found, or as part of an elaborate campaign to manipulate the price of ice, it's all part of the game.

The reason such a question demonstrates your lack of understanding of EVE is because you've presented limited options. I haven't played for a while and I won't be logging in again for a few more weeks but when I do, it'll be to return to lowsec and kill everything that moves. I gave you more than enough of an opportunity to think of why I might go after the kills I do and it really does pain me to have to explain it to you but I'm going to anyway.

My lowsec is a strategic stopover for supercaps. It has been for years. There are specific groups that I support there by killing everything that moves, and that includes 'newbies' (that could just as easily be accounts made for the sake of getting eyes in the syster) regardless of what ship they're in because again, eyes in the system can be very valuable, especially with the removal of watchlists. There are three systems there that are all very specific bottlenecks that need to be watched for potential spies. And I'm not about to sidle up next to someone in lowsec that I'm 'not sure about' and ask them if they're a spy or not. No, everything that moves gets blapped, or we can't move caps.

Now I know why you're asking the question. You deny it, but when you ask me what fun I find in that, you're asking a loaded question by assuming that I find any fun in that specifically. What I find fun is good fights, but they are few and far between. Most of the time, it's newbs or blobs, and you can see as much in my kb with both kills and losses. The number of times I've been killed by a solo pilot I can still count on one hand, but you ask me this question not to insult me, but to try to damage my PVP credibility by poking holes in my skill. That being said, I've fought 1v5 frigates and won in my enyo, years ago I took on a myrm solo in my ishkur and won that, and around about the same time I took on a myrm, two dessies and a merlin in my ishkur and won that with 15% structure remaining. I have many other fights like that, some that came as a direct result of shooting at everything that moved. Sometimes that's the only way to find fights like that. I have skill. I'm not the best, but I have it, and those that have seen me fight or fought me know it. But when it comes to the specific situation of killing nubs in lowsec, I'm completely impartial to it. Some of them send me mails asking for help, and they get it. Some send me mails abusing me, and they get blocked, no reply. One person even hit on me after I blew them up. What I never give them is unrestricted access to whatever space I am tasked with by people who pay my SRP. It's not a difficult job, and it's not one that saps the fun from the game from me, but it's a means to an end. If it's not blue, shoot it, because if it's not blue, it could be anyone, it's as simple as that.

At the end of the day, you and many others sit here and assume the motivations of those that go out and shoot at other players instead of asking them, or trying to think of alternatives. That's why you're insulted, and told you don't understand EVE, because you can't think beyond your own narrow scope of what EVE is to you and you alone. The reason myself and others are so successful is because we know why others play, and don't just assume singular motivations. We have to know what it is they want from the game so that we can either try to take it away, or help them find it, depending on how we feel about them.

Your assumptions and loaded questions don't serve any purpose, unless they're intentional. The question you asked above being asked by anyone with an IQ above 100 is quite clearly a strategic attempt to bring question to the credibility of an otherwise legitimate PVP'er, and I know you're not stupid, but you won't get away with these kinds of games around me, Dracvlad, because as you frequently seem to forget, I've been playing EVE for quite some time now and when it comes to intrigue and psychological warfare, I'm quite experienced.

So I'm incorrect to assume your question demonstrates your lack of knowledge of EVE, because there is another option. That you understand EVE full well and are using your knowledge of it to discredit those trying to defend the EVE we know and love from those that would turn it into a PVP-restricted themepark arena. It can only be one or the other, because that questions is either incredibly stupid, or incredibly strategic.

Final post here. It's not just the bullying. It's also an incredibly vocal minority of hyperalpha shitwits. I mean, that particular facet is so bad that I've instructed the moderators to permanently close my forum account.

Ever read comment sections below EvE Online articles in the news? Same common thread: "I'd love to try it but there's so many pricks".

You know where they get that? The forums, and from reddit. They see that the community at large has allowed a very tiny group of incredibly vocal assholes to present the face of the entire community to the world. And most of the world thinks it's ****, if these comment sections are any indicators.

Don't believe me? Go look for yourselves. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm sticking solely with the in-game community from here on out. Much better representation of what the game actually is. Y'all wanna look like that incredibly vocal minority? That's on you.

Careful analyzes show that all MMO boards are quite awful, toxic and full of the same arguments going in endless circles form day one until the game gets shut down. As a proven fact every player knows exactly what is best for the game at hand and just by following those instructions every game would run forever. It is common knowledge that game developers have –in fact- no idea how to develop games and are dependent on a steady stream of ideas for improvement from very important players. Measurement for importance are the forum posts count and the likes received.

Don’t be fooled by people that argue that compromises had to be made at some point and that no game can fit the taste of everybody. It’s not about what attracts the biggest crowed of gamers but what is your personal way of playing. So be very vocal about it, don’t miss any opportunity to tell the DEVS what they keep doing wrong and most importantly remind them that their game is dying. The future of gaming depends on it.