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This would be a good compromise.

Don't give us moon goo we don't need that space drama and risk adverse wardeccers and Nullsec botters. If anything, do this but give use ICE fields!

For the art department, give us something that ******* looks like space refineries, not random useless towers!

Active. Shitting up forums without realizing it might be considered passive though.


Still active, even if the input requirements are lower. I you are not logged in and present, no progress is made. Arguments can be made its passive, but no progress is made when logged off.


That would be active by your choice, not design. I can set up PI to do a similar thing, but it will still very much be considered a passive income source by majority of people you ask.


You want to know what truly separates active from passive income in great majority of situations? Ask yourself: Is progress toward the task completion still generated after pilot involvement has entirely ceased?

Not everything falls into the straight and narrow, but here's a few examples of you're typical passive/active incomes (by design not choice):

Passive
- Planetary Interaction
- Industry/Research Jobs
- Moon Mining
- Market buy/sell orders (not immediate orders)

Active
- Mining
- Ratting (including missions/incursions/sleepers/etc)
- Hauling
- Exploration

The first list includes activities that do not require a pilot to be active or even online for progress to be made. The second list has activities that completely cease once the pilot logs off. No further generation or progress is made.

you know t3 geting hit with rebalancing pass this summer right?

I like the sounds of this.

My only comments would be I understand not diluting the T2 resources pool down by adding mineable moons all over high sec. Risk verses rewards must stay balanced. I do think it would be interesting though see drills being deployed somehow in high sec though. If it is introducted it should be restricted to 0.5, perhaps 0.7 systems or lower. I also came up with two other options for deployment.

1. Moon mining activity spawns standard ores for collection (Veldspar, Plagioclase, etc). Maybe some mid-grade ores. I realize this doesn't fall in line with the idea of moon goo, but just a thought.
2. If moon products were introduced into high sec, they need to be lower value, and lower qualities than would be present else where in space (null, etc). Important to keep risk/reward in check. This is were usage in lower security system would be important; so they wouldn't pop up everywhere.

Thanks for the info Fozzie.

I have not been able to read the whole forum post, so maybe this is redundant in some ways.

As people have mentioned, a fair portion of the process of creating moon materials is automated, for theory's sake 1 person could operate and manage 5-10 moon mining control towers. In this new system, that number could flip to now need 5 people to maintain the same production rate per day per moon that the current system operates at.

If there is a concern over lack of player involvement that could disrupt the production of T2 materials, could a mining module for the refinery itself be considered?

This module would cost 1 High slot, and burn down the capacitor of the refinery so it could operate for 15 minutes / hour or so (don't know off the top of my head what the recharge rate on the capacitor would be). Burning the Cap on the tower would come with the inherent disadvantages of not being able to use its defensive modules as long as initially planned.

The aim would be to make the module capable of mining enough resources to maintain 40-50% of the current daily production rates, through the power of 1 person and a moderate time investment, on a belt that takes 24H to spawn.

I really like the idea of turning moon mining into an operation more players can be involved in, but the types of miners I know of are very risk averse and may not be interested in mining in lowsec.

Just going to add, as i mentioned on slack, please make the timer for when the drill makes the belt publicly available. I live in a wormhole and plan to try and ninja moon goo, so it would be really handy to warp tot he structure and see if the belt is coming soon or if i should close my hole and move on.

That and as a former sov holder it would be nice to not have to answer the question of 'hey reap, when will the belt spawn?' from alliance members daily.

The whole point is to make moon goo not AFK anymore, and Fozziesov for people to actually use the space!

Nullsec income needs to be less AFK orientated!

Where are all these supposed miners coming from?

I've never seen a nul or ls corp or alliance turning down applications cuz they just have too many miners.

Plus no one likes dying over and over, so rental or noob miners would need protecting. So now, half your alliance has to babysit them or be posted up spotting for them three gates out.

In that case, you might as well just plex a handful of mining toons, plex them in npc corp, allow them docking access, and let them die whenever. Ship losses and plex expenses get calculated into material sell price.

Quite possibly the fuel requirements for a clone bay will be added to moon product prices as well, cuz seriously, who wants to fleet in barges. JC in mining alts from one moon mega alliance holds to the next and mop up the goo on a schedule.

I see where everyone's heart is in the right place. It's just not gonna shake out how you'd like.

So now the moon guru and the miining director's positions are more closely aligned and the really big boys no longer have to bother dropping cits to get content.

Hell, maybe they don't even have to bother maintaining moon ops at all. Why bother when they can simply drop in on neighbors at harvest time, brush aside your fleet, and mine the goo while you pay the fuel bill.

Go ahead and try to start a fight with them over it.. caps will just drop and crush u. These guys are dropping and letting cits die undefended half the time simply in search of content, on the off chance they'll have people online and kicking ur as* is convenient for them at that moment. If not, they just lose the cit and care about as much as I would losing a gecko.

Plus, this looks like a pretty permanent situation, given that the existing system was going for over a decade.

Mining is all well and good. I used to freaking love it. I know a lot of people enjoy it. Give it two or three years, trust me, the thrill wears off.... all the way off.

I'm just not seeing the upside to significantly increasing the mining demand and demand for dedicated miner toons. Most, not all, look forward to the day they can graduate from mining and do something a bit more active. With all this new mining required, there's no end in sight, for any of us.

Providing a little spice and opportunity for the <10M SP crowd to get some cool goo... I get that, I support that. Still there has to be a better mechanic to allow for that than mining.

Please find a way that refinery cits can continue to soak up the reactions passively while still leaving the floating asteroids, chunks, dust, whatever, exposed to theft... Like ESS-style theft.

Stealing ship lands, activates "fracking" or "jackhammer" module, fills up on unrefined promethium, and tries to make it home alive. This would be fantastic for wh'ers.

The huge alliances feel the pinch some on distant moons, cuz the one thing they can't do is be everywhere at once. Perhaps some far-flung r64's and 32's are eventually conceded owing to attrition and lack of profitability. I guarantee you they'll find the time to be there though if anyone brings Rorq's, Orcas, or even a dozen exhumers on field. They freaking live off of those tears.

Every update that have to bring more conflict, can also bring more blues to your side.

Edit..


Got my brain back, asked stupid question.