EVE General Discussion

I never understood the CSM...

Only informing a select small group about changes and exclusively valuing their feedback is just bad customer interaction.

Well, I'll support your decision to quit if that's what you really want to do...

Since when is corporate theft from private citizens not a real and important issue?

This goes WAY beyond EVE in its entirety, it is theft pure and simple.

If my RL corp could steal just one dollar from everyone in the world id be rich as hell, but its only one dollar so its okay, is that it?

This right there. This is beyond a small rng fluctuation, this is insider trading.

Yeah, dumb me believing in the idea that CSM should be an independent, objective body.
Would you also support insider trading, when i.e. a Central Bank high ranked employee leaks info to his buddies about the incoming changes in interest rates? Last time I checked that was a crime in most of the developed countries.

This still doesn't pass the Econ 101 sniff test.

If people were buying a bunch of PLEX in advance of this announcement then that would have pushed the price up over the last few months, not kept it roughly steady.

Also the current change in PLEX prices is... not that much honestly. The drop between November 16th when Citadel dropped and November 30th when the price more or less stabilized was about twice this rise, and all of that was just normal post-patch PLEX shocks.

Also converting PLEX to ISK requires that the price jump, and there's no good way to push the PLEX market up without either buying a ton of PLEX, which is economically super risky, or getting a bunch of people to buy a ton of PLEX which is basically impossible to keep a secret.

This seems a lot like you haven't looked at the PLEX market much in the last couple years, looked at it today, and immediately jumped to conspiracy theories to explain it, when in reality the PLEX market has jumped around tons over the last few months let alone the last few years.



That's active players logged in, not subbed accounts...

Well I suspect the leaks started quite some time ago, but then it spread, and finally, about 14 days before the announcement there were so many ppl buying PLEX that the price started to rise. Remember that on average there are ~4k PLEX traded every single day, that's 4,4 trillion ISK market. Pushing the price by even 20% requires a lot more demand than supply. Also remember about all the markets tied to PLEX market, so basically everything that cost AUR - skill extractors for example. That 20% change in price over last 2 weeks is huge.

I already said that there will be even more demand for PLEX when all ppl having less than 1000 AUR realize that without buying a PLEX their AUR will be wasted. That's the inisder trading info I'm talking about. If CCP didn't decide to remove AUR below 1000 from all the accounts, then there wouldn't really be any field for those CSM info manipulations - since we don't have swap orders, and ppl can't get ISK from goods that are losing value over time.

I agree, PLEX prices were fluctuating but there wasn't any cause for it recently and this PLEX changes announcements, and especially the part about removing AUR under 1000 is the most reasonable explanation behind PLEX price rising. However I would expect it to happen after the announcement, not before it...

And the data about declining number of active accounts isn't really selling the story about all the rorqual miners activating and using PLEX for 10 more alt accounts, rising the PLEX price by 20%. Unless you actually believe that they were already playing 10 extra alpha accounts everyday, while farming in their rorquals.

Your assumptions are growing assumptions to try to support themselves... just let them fall over and die peacefully.

Also, again, this isn't that big of a swing. Just look at the history of the PLEX market.

Your AUR theory doesn't hold water, you can just convert the AUR into some other fungible good like Skins and cash it out that way. There's basically no reason to buy PLEX just to keep AUR around.

Yes, there was a cause for it recently, the start of the recent spike literally coincides with the patch notes being released. You see fluctuations like this *every major patch* this has been true for literally most of a decade at this point.

There is no data on declining numbers of active accounts, there's data on character activity but that's subject to plenty of external factors and falls off every winter, independent of PLEX prices. In fact the week over week decline is less than 500 pilots. The major snow storm that just hit the US East Cost on patch day could easily account for that.

This whole theory is the very definition of jumping to conclusions with no evidence

While i would not consider this theory impossible, i would argue that had CSM members leaked this information to enough people, the market would of been showing it the past few weeks if not longer, so even if there was a leak, i would not consider it to be a large enough issue, that an entire alliance is going to make ******** ISK due to insider information. In all likely hood, it's maybe a handful of people doing it discretely, in which case its nothing out of the ordinary, merely people buying and selling PLEX, and there's no way to "prove" one way or another, unless there was massive move on the market, but looking at the figures, it's likely a coincidence or just a few people noticing a volume change or trend and then following it.