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Planet V Trade

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Jarr Kaleb
#121 - 2017-05-09 03:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
Gilbaron wrote:
go back to hiring every highsec merc possible
Most of mercs are either blue to Pandemic Horde (eg. MC, VMG) or can't do anything besides gate camping. Straight
Sparky Udan
Guerillas Of The Underground
The Bastion
#122 - 2017-05-10 05:01:27 UTC
Thanks for AllSale Final for giving me this link. I will be providing support for Planet V hubs. All my PI will be sold via these hubs in the future.
Jarr Kaleb
#123 - 2017-05-14 07:03:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
Fair game?

Planet V competitor IChooseYou, who is backed by Pandemic Horde, continues to use dirty methods aimed at traders who are supporting other hubs. IChooseYou began to block traders from his public(!) hubs, thus impeding them on their daily trading. In case some of you don't know, you can't see any sell orders issued in the hub if you're blocked. And all of the assets inside the hub are locked.

The funny thing is that a couple of months ago IChooseYou created a thread on reddit because he was very concerned about fair game -
Should one rich individual be able to control who can and can’t view public market orders?

Today, IChooseYou is exactly that one rich individual who decides who can and can't view public orders in his hub, despite all of his talk on reddit. Even worse, today he blocks traders who support other trade hubs, which is much worse in my opinion than to simply block a competing hub owner.
leocaldari
leo's Corp
#124 - 2017-05-14 11:37:21 UTC
Again he blocked me too.

additional I gave him 250mio for month May to have 0.0% broker fee.

But what do I expect from ICY? Nothing because he is a non-trusted person in this game.

additional he really doesn't understand anything about market mechanics.

Citadels are only important for BUY orders NOT for Sell orders.
BUY orders don't work on other Citadels.
BUY orders are visible from any station.
and I always have another Citadel to set BUY orders.
So complete nonsense what he is doing.

Just an additional sign for his madness to take over the Jita market. LOL.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2017-05-14 12:10:09 UTC
... at least he seems to own the Skill Injector market on the sell side and PLEX is a draw. But anyway, blocking potential sellers and a few unwelcome buyer chars does not make much sense economically. Hoping those blocked will beg and pay for access again, sounds desperate. Also PH's trade hub seems to be still open for all, and takes the same fee.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#126 - 2017-05-14 13:52:47 UTC
I'm loving reading all this drama.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

IChooseYou
Mr. Clean Corp..
#127 - 2017-05-14 14:48:52 UTC
The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Only the "high-ranking" and high-end supporters of planet v and their alts are blocked. The list is really small.

One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.
Jarr Kaleb
#128 - 2017-05-14 16:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
IChooseYou wrote:
The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working.
Well, if by 'what I am doing is working' you mean losing traders, then go ahead. Smile

IChooseYou wrote:
One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you.
You sure you aren't talking about yourself? Tell us, who was docked in Planet V trade hubs last weeks convoing traders, offering them '0% for 250m' deals, which leo mentioned in his post above? Was it Jarr, lol?

I'm sure, Moac was aware of you doing this little business in Planet V hubs since the very first day. I find it strange, but he did not block you. I think, it clearly shows the difference between Planet V and you.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2017-05-14 17:00:18 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
... at least he seems to own the Skill Injector market on the sell side and PLEX is a draw. But anyway, blocking potential sellers and a few unwelcome buyer chars does not make much sense economically. Hoping those blocked will beg and pay for access again, sounds desperate. Also PH's trade hub seems to be still open for all, and takes the same fee.


i wonder if it's now the longest living fort in perimeter.

btw: security is one of the most important factors when economic thinking goes long-term.

another one is stability. constant policy changes are annoying.

i wonder if the dramaqueens in here are aware of that
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2017-05-14 17:05:28 UTC
IChooseYou wrote:
The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Only the "high-ranking" and high-end supporters of planet v and their alts are blocked. The list is really small.

Thanks for honoring me as as "high-ranking" and high-end supporter of Planet V. This made my day. Lol

IChooseYou wrote:

One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.

... proofs the point, that people tend to assume what they are doing is right and others would do the same. The only person spamming ads were you in the Planet V channels.

I'm my own NPC alt.

leocaldari
leo's Corp
#131 - 2017-05-14 18:51:59 UTC
IChooseYou wrote:

One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.


Again a lie. I never talked to anybody about anything

So what kind of reason do you have to block me?
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#132 - 2017-05-14 18:52:52 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I'm loving reading all this drama.

I think whatever side one takes in this conflict, no one can argue that it is providing good content and some heated debate. I'm enjoying each moment of it also (especially Gobbins' reddit posts), it has been worth every ISK.

Also some extra competition in the markets is good for everyone whatever your perspective. Even the hordlings will thank us eventually.
dito Elladin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2017-05-17 12:38:11 UTC
I do not play eve for a long time and am a sub- char for a single person corp.

The experience and knowledge with JITA and DODIXIE so far are very clear:
If you come to close to the BIG money, you will be intimidated and wardecced!
If you trade in the wrong citadel, you will be intimidated and wardecced!
Those who do the intimidation and wardeccing are not the real ones behind the big play, but add one and one together........
Those who do not want a particular Cital Owner to succeed will not only shoot as many times their Hubs down, they will make it for traders in-secure, as one Trader mentioned it - Stability is what is most important to most.
UNLESS - You do not give a damn and know howto get your stuff out or wait a few days if all fails!

Now as to the most important in this War on Citadels - Which one do you trust?
Even though the results of the true nature of each party will only show in the longrun and indicators for "Truth and Honesty" are visible, PLANET V wins my trust for the main reason of trust and the guts to tackle a BIG ISSUE and in recognising the WAR of the future.

The Future of Eve is also being fought in Trade!

Take your precautions and be safe. o/

PS: Moac - Thanks for doing this o/. What happened to SINQ LIASON's Citadel? We feel forgotten ;-)
Obsidian Blacke
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2017-05-17 18:03:25 UTC
Also the undock for the IChooseyou station in Perimeter is terrible...which by itself, is enough to discourage people from using it. :p
dito Elladin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2017-05-19 10:51:36 UTC
As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4%
I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......

The below is their own channel:


EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge.
We are currently serving:Perimeter - ☆☆ IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%)
Frarn - ☆ IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%)
Hek-Hek - ☆ IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%)
Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%)
.......and so on

Build your own opinion and be safe o/
Jarr Kaleb
#136 - 2017-05-19 13:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
dito Elladin wrote:
As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4%
I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......

The below is their own channel:


EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge.
We are currently serving:Perimeter - ☆☆ IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%)
Frarn - ☆ IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%)
Hek-Hek - ☆ IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%)
Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%)
.......and so on

Build your own opinion and be safe o/
Here is the screenshot. Apparently MOTD has delays too. Smile

IChooseYou, if you're going to reply, just copy\paste this -

IChooseYou wrote:
Jarr Kaleb, you are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.

You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the MOTD and the tax rate. You actually need to wait a couple of days for the MOTD to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. What you are doing is shameful.


___

Btw, it seems Pandemic Mafia is going into industrialists extortion also - https://zkillboard.com/kill/62372114/
I think, soon Pandemic Horde will succefully replace VMG.
IChooseYou
Mr. Clean Corp..
#137 - 2017-05-19 14:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: IChooseYou
dito Elladin wrote:
As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4%
I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......

The below is their own channel:


EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge.
We are currently serving:Perimeter - ☆☆ IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%)
Frarn - ☆ IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%)
Hek-Hek - ☆ IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%)
Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%)
.......and so on

Build your own opinion and be safe o/


No lies here. I updated the tax yesterday and forgot to updated the chat MOTD. Fixed now. My apologies.

Only thing that I would note is that the broker fees in dodixie have been at 1% for the last six months. I am taking a lot of heat from the hub owners in the area for undercutting them.

Also, I'd note that about six months ago, my dodixie hub was at 0.2%. Then Planet V (under its old ownership) paid VMG 40bil to have three of my hubs killed, including the dodixie one. Immediately after that, taxes shot up to 1% and have stayed there since.
You should see how many mails I received from people thanking me for offering them this cheaper alternative. It is still too soon to see whether the turnover of goods in dodixie is profitable though.
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2017-05-19 17:11:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Karin Yang
IChooseYou wrote:

No lies here.


You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring a single one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense to you? If you want to lie, please make your lies look somewhat 'reasonable'.

And the rate in G space isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%.
IChooseYou
Mr. Clean Corp..
#139 - 2017-05-19 17:38:10 UTC
Karin Yang wrote:
IChooseYou wrote:

No lies here.


You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring a single one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense to you? If you want to lie, please make your lies look somewhat 'reasonable'.

And the rate in G space isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%.


My understanding is that you wanted me out of the picture, but didn't really care about any hubs other than jita. So you hired VMG and planned to give ashab, dodi and hek to others (don't know about rens).

My sources include the mercs you hired and the person that you asked to take over hek from me (he became a friend of mine). If my facts are wrong, I am happy for you to prove it with something tangible.
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#140 - 2017-05-19 17:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Karin Yang
IChooseYou wrote:
Karin Yang wrote:
IChooseYou wrote:

No lies here.


You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring a single one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense to you? If you want to lie, please make your lies look somewhat 'reasonable'.

And the rate in G space isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%.


My understanding is that you wanted me out of the picture, but didn't really care about any hubs other than jita. So you hired VMG and planned to give ashab, dodi and hek to others (don't know about rens).

My sources include the mercs you hired and the person that you asked to take over hek from me (he became a friend of mine). If my facts are wrong, I am happy for you to prove it with something tangible.


Then you're totally wrong. And 'your sources' are lies too. Besides I am fully aware that you had 5 citadels and I think I told you that I know(Adam4eve shows everything, it don't ignore rens neighbors).

I suggested lucia that fran is a good place because you're charging 0.5% or something alone at that time, if you call that as 'to take over', hehe. (Lucia was in M space even before I knew him, and he is still my friend. He sold a citadel in Perimeter to me, saved my day). 40bil to take you out of the picture? Nah, you don't worth that.

And I think you actually know that who attacked your G space citadel. Fact: you didn't dare to anchor another one there until recently, because you knew that you couldn't handle that. You don't mention the alliance in G space this time because you are having deals with them(those who blackmail customers in PV. They didn't blackmail customers in yours, did they?) now. Your lie again.

Again facts (= your lie): G space 0% PV is attacked and destroyed by PH. So you're not saving their tax, you're raising it from 0% to 0.4%.