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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#101 - 2017-05-03 14:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
IChooseYou wrote:
Jarr Kaleb wrote:
It seems that Sinq Laison local thugs are working together with IChooseYou\Pandemic Horde.


Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative.

In any event, thanks for the free advertisement. Everyone, feel free to use my dodixie hub! It is at 0.0%, as are all my non-perimeter hubs.

Whatever conclusions people may have reached, the fact is that you are paying Pandemic Horde to destroy all the low tax market hubs around high sec, presumably so that you and gobbins can increase the broker fees once the competition is gone.

If you were actually looking to provide a good service to traders, then why would you feel the need to try and destroy the competition by force.
IChooseYou
Mr. Clean Corp..
#102 - 2017-05-03 15:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: IChooseYou
We are playing an internet spaceship game where the goal is to make explosions. Planet V are good at anchoring stuff that goes boom. Pandemic Horde is good at making it go boom. That's the story.

You seem to suggest that you are different from me, but your post history above shows how you are so much worse. You are blatantly and without shame manipulating people to try to anchor onto you so that you can extort them later.

Planet V advertised free trades for everyone for ever. How long did that last? Not very long, obviously - certainly not for ever. Then you started charging 20mil per person, and then 100mil per person, and now 0.1%. Hell of a trend that you have going.

If anything, I strongly believe that, if Horde weren't here, you and Karin would be charging 1% as were the guys in dodixie.

Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should.
Jarr Kaleb
#103 - 2017-05-03 16:23:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
IChooseYou wrote:
Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative.
I don't believe anything you say anymore. You became untrustworthy since the time you started using '0.1% is 0%' tricks. It's funny that you say you want to be trusted, but your actions speaks louder than words - http://imgur.com/dUTUCcA

You are already paying billions to Pandemic Horde to clear the competition, so I don't see what stops you from hiring DevilBear thugs in Sinq Laison.

In comparison to you, since Moac took over 'Planet V', PV never hired any forces to destroy any competing hubs including yours no matter what region it is.

IChooseYou wrote:
Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should.
You unanchored your 0% hub in Ashab as soon as they told you to f_ off, leading to all of our (traders) assets being locked for 5 days. I was using your hub there since there weren't any Planet V hubs at that time. No apologies were given from your side.

+1? No, don't bother.

___

ps\ Other Pandemic Horde backed hubs are also using '0.1% is 0%' tricks - http://imgur.com/8twHNqF
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2017-05-03 16:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Karin Yang
I think you mean:
IChooseYou wrote:
We are playing an internet spaceship game where the goal is being shameless like IChooseYou.


Hehe,obviously you know the story that Karin promised to offer 0% forever, not Moac, and Moac don't have to offer 0% service at all from beginning, because of the word of someone else. And the truth is that not a penny entered to Karin's wallet ever since the word is made, and will never in the future. You like kissing Gobbin's ass, that's your choice. But not everyone will.
It's interesting to see that you believe you are 'with' gobbins, but the fact is that he don't need you at all and will kick you off the table whenever he is not satisfied with your skill.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#105 - 2017-05-03 16:25:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
IChooseYou wrote:
We are playing an internet spaceship game where the goal is to make explosions. Planet V are good at anchoring stuff that goes boom. Pandemic Horde is good at making it go boom. That's the story.

You seem to suggest that you are different from me, but your post history above shows how you are so much worse. You are blatantly and without shame manipulating people to try to anchor onto you so that you can extort them later.

Planet V advertised free trades for everyone for ever. How long did that last? Not very long, obviously - certainly not for ever. Then you started charging 20mil per person, and then 100mil per person, and now 0.1%. Hell of a trend that you have going.

If anything, I strongly believe that, if Horde weren't here, you and Karin would be charging 1% as were the guys in dodixie.

Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should.


I am simply stating facts, and now you are jumping to conclusions. I haven't changed any of our core principles listed in the OP since starting this venture and will never do so.

It is natural for you and Gobbins to hate us, the reason for our existence is to fight against the extortion techniques which you and Pandemic Horde rely upon.
Donna Dolore
Delirium Trigger Industries
#106 - 2017-05-03 16:28:26 UTC
I've said it before , and ill say again, i dont care about 0%. Give me a safe, reliable place to trade, and I'm down with that. I make enough that 1% or whatever % won't matter to me. Most, if not all traders would agree with me.... I just so happened to support planet v.... if i feel im being treated unfairly in the future, ill take my billions elsewhere.... good day!!!!!
John Selth
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#107 - 2017-05-03 16:34:43 UTC
Man, with all this low tier citadel drama it's no wonder people go to stable taxes citadels instead of 0% havens. What sensible trader will want to get caught up in all of this nonsense and have to deal with constant offlining and moving structures?
IChooseYou
Mr. Clean Corp..
#108 - 2017-05-03 16:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: IChooseYou
Jarr Kaleb, you are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.

You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the name of a citadel and the tax rate. You actually need to log off and on of the game for the name of the citadel to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. What you are doing is shameful.

Karin, at least you admit that Planet V promised 0.0% for ever. The promises made by Planet V should follow Planet V wherever it goes, right? What is next, Moac using an alt to start breaking all the empty promises he is already starting to break?

Final edit: Moac, I don't hate you guys. I never said I did. To the contrary, I have repeatedly told you that I respect you and that you are a decent individual. What I don't tolerate (and that is the only reason I interjected in this thread) are the lies made up by Jarr Kaleb.
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2017-05-03 16:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Karin Yang
IChooseYou wrote:

The promises made by Planet V should follow Planet V wherever it goes, right?


Really? I still remember the time you stole the name/named your citadel as Planet V, and now you changed your name, so you don't keep the promise made by Planet V, correct? Next time you name your citadel BS's hub and you don't need to keep your word too, correct? So either the owner or the name matters, totally depending on which suits IChooseYou's need.
Obsidian Blacke
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2017-05-03 17:44:08 UTC
Jarr Kaleb wrote:
IChooseYou wrote:
Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative.
I don't believe anything you say anymore. You became untrustworthy since the time you started using '0.1% is 0%' tricks. It's funny that you say you want to be trusted, but your actions speaks louder than words - http://imgur.com/dUTUCcA

You are already paying billions to Pandemic Horde to clear the competition, so I don't see what stops you from hiring DevilBear thugs in Sinq Laison.

In comparison to you, since Moac took over 'Planet V', PV never hired any forces to destroy any competing hubs including yours no matter what region it is.

IChooseYou wrote:
Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should.
You unanchored your 0% hub in Ashab as soon as they told you to f_ off, leading to all of our (traders) assets being locked for 5 days. I was using your hub there since there weren't any Planet V hubs at that time. No apologies were given from your side.

+1? No, don't bother.

___

ps\ Other Pandemic Horde backed hubs are also using '0.1% is 0%' tricks - http://imgur.com/8twHNqF




IChooseYou also occasionally jacks up their tax rate for very short periods of times. I've seen it as high as 4.5%. That's when I started preferring Planet V Trade. I haven't had that problem with them.
Jarr Kaleb
#111 - 2017-05-03 17:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
IChooseYou wrote:
Jarr Kaleb, you are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.

You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the name of a citadel and the tax rate. You actually need to log off and on of the game for the name of the citadel to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. What you are doing is shameful.
Yes, I'm sitting 23\7 in Perimeter watching stupid Structure Browser so I can take a screenshot at the right time. Roll

___

You used '0.1% is 0%' for days. And not once.

You are a liar!

A couple of months ago you were a little bit more honest - http://imgur.com/3Y3zJZQ
You called this '0.1% is 0%' trick - 'rounding the number'. But when people were like 'wtf' you hastily edited your messages.

Good job, IChooseYou, you forced me to waste my time on searching your comments on Reddit. I like this one too - http://imgur.com/E005vNX
IChooseYou
Mr. Clean Corp..
#112 - 2017-05-03 17:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: IChooseYou
Obsidian Blacke wrote:

IChooseYou also occasionally jacks up their tax rate for very short periods of times. I've seen it as high as 4.5%. That's when I started preferring Planet V Trade. I haven't had that problem with them.


Never!

Edit: It is lies like this which will make Planet V supporters lose credibility.
Jarr Kaleb
#113 - 2017-05-03 22:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
IChooseYou wrote:
It is lies like this which will make Planet V supporters lose credibility.
Let's talk more about lies and credibility!

IChooseYou, when you switched to 0.1% public fees in Perimeter, probag asked you about 0% for him, but you said that it would be unfair for everyone else - http://imgur.com/f0XpCUF

Tell us more please about fairness. Do you think it is fair if some of your traders have permanent 0% at your hub while the rest trade paying 0.1% fee with no hope to get 0%? The most noticeable chosen one is the guy who operates in PLEX market. He admitted that you gave him permanent 0% in your Perimeter hub. So, because of him having no broker fees he can easily pull stuff like that -

http://imgur.com/2QIIjJE (old plex)
http://imgur.com/a/CnjYH (old plex)
http://imgur.com/a/HiM2r (old plex)
http://imgur.com/a/A7CDa (inj)

He stays competitive with Planet V PLEX traders, but he squeezes margins from every other PLEX trader in your hub, who aren't big enough for you to give them 0%. Because of that you lost all other PLEX traders recently.

IChooseYou, on public you're talking about fairness, but behind people's backs you are doing shady business.Tell us more please about credibility.
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#114 - 2017-05-03 23:48:31 UTC
Can you two just admit you like each other and go steady instead of all this pretending that you hate each other?
Obsidian Blacke
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2017-05-04 03:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Obsidian Blacke
IChooseYou wrote:
Obsidian Blacke wrote:

IChooseYou also occasionally jacks up their tax rate for very short periods of times. I've seen it as high as 4.5%. That's when I started preferring Planet V Trade. I haven't had that problem with them.


Never!

Edit: It is lies like this which will make Planet V supporters lose credibility.



Sorry IChooseYou, but calling people liars doesn't help your cause. It happened and frankly, I think my credibility on this matter trumps yours.

I had no horse in this race, only an interest in dealing with a reputable citadel that offered me a low tax alternative to Jita so I could place my buy orders (at the time, both you and Planet V were offering 0.0%). When I saw your temporary tax hike, that was the end of my dealing with yours. I don't appreciate people who try to scam me.
leocaldari
leo's Corp
#116 - 2017-05-08 12:02:33 UTC
it's time to write some comments here

I will start with this information:

Conversation with IChooseYou

This info is coming from this thread:

PSA: Loophole allows citadels in empire to be unkillable

IChooseYou = Gobbins = PH = PL

Based on my history from Nullsec I dislike PL and PH

So any support in these allies(people) is a no go for me
leocaldari
leo's Corp
#117 - 2017-05-08 14:46:43 UTC
next part:

the true story about unanchor the Backup Hub in Maurasi

The current Planet V trade HUB in Maurasi had following vulnerability windows:

Friday 17 to 20
Saturday 10 to 16
Sunday 17 to 20

if PH would attack trade HUB on Friday the HUB will run into armor on Saturday
structures in armor cannot run any services
so we had the problem not to have any running hub after Saturday 20

for this problem we installed a backup hub

PH didn't attack the HUB Friday and Saturday
So we did not need any backup hub anymore

We started to unanchor the hub after Saturday vulnerability windows

unanchoring a hub you have to use the command "Decommission"
this is not an exploit this is normal game mechanics

It seems to be that Gobbins don't know exactly the game mechanics about Citadels and Wars in High Sec

Gobbins please visit eve university or CCP official documents about Citadels and Wars before you starting a campaign against me that I'm using an exploit.

regards
leo

PS: I know it is hard for a SMALL ally like PH that ONE person can prevent the control of markets in a region
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#118 - 2017-05-09 00:42:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
Gobbins and his incessant complaining to CCP knows no bounds. One would have thought that he would feel some shame in again having to beg CCP to change the mechanics which the 'highsec newbs' are using to outplay and run rings around him.

He has even resorted to bombarding CCP support with potentially thousands of requests, and so if you are unlucky enough to have a petition which remains unanswered for weeks then we know who to thank.

Support Planet V Trade for a fair, honest, and professional market service, and help put a stop to his nonsense.
Jarr Kaleb
#119 - 2017-05-09 01:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarr Kaleb
Moac Tor wrote:
He has even resorted to bombarding CCP support with potentially thousands of requests...
I like this part - 'against Pandemic Horde to prevent us from dominating the Perimeter market'

As I said on Reddit, Horde leaders are unusually honest. Smile
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2017-05-09 02:47:54 UTC
🍿 anyone?

this is better than kugu used to be in the old days. please keep throwing **** at each other, it's highly entertaining for an outsider.

but at the same time, go back to hiring every highsec merc possible. that's the only way this can get any more entertaining