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Pirate Battleships & Absurd Ganker Arguments

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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#21 - 2017-02-22 21:32:24 UTC
Nobody likes to be ganked (unless u have a sick fetish impo) but it happens.

People gank ... because they can.Big smile
Eve Griefer
Doomheim
#22 - 2017-02-22 22:22:59 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:


The sole purpose of the Gankers is to Grief other players! This is why Gankers have shifted from Suicide Ganking HULK's to suicide ganking Maruaders and other high sec blinged out ships! Because its about attacking Soft targets of high value because that guarantees Grief. Nothing but Bullies kicking over everyone's sandcastle but their own!



If the loot fairy is kind and the bling drops, then the gankers have made on their investment.
Profit is all the reason needed.
Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2017-02-22 22:36:35 UTC
Eve Griefer wrote:
Spenser for Hire wrote:


The sole purpose of the Gankers is to Grief other players! This is why Gankers have shifted from Suicide Ganking HULK's to suicide ganking Maruaders and other high sec blinged out ships! Because its about attacking Soft targets of high value because that guarantees Grief. Nothing but Bullies kicking over everyone's sandcastle but their own!



If the loot fairy is kind and the bling drops, then the gankers have made on their investment.
Profit is all the reason needed.

the simplicity and the honesty are definitely appreciated.

And once again, EVE Online's so-called "Risk Vs. Reward" ethos is proven to be yet another of the myths that abound.

20 to 25 pilots in ships worth 2mil each gank a high value, soft target worth more than 2 billion, at the very least, and the Gankers walk away with hundreds of millions of ISK! They faced NO RISK whatsoever and reaped high rewards!

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LouHodo
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#24 - 2017-02-22 22:48:41 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
IB4L?



I mean really, how batshit crazy do you have to be to conflate pirate BS prices, ganking, and safety in high sec?

Shouldn't you be asking that of the Suicide Gankers who claim that Suicide Ganking protects the market from being driven into the ground???

How Batshit crazy do you have to be to NOT understand that???



No offense but you can just report them for abuse and violation of the EULA rule 6 section C, item 16. Which is the catchall which in short says, "If it makes the game unfun for you, then it is against the rules."
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#25 - 2017-02-22 23:15:33 UTC
Let me get this straight:

OP is butthurt that his Billion ISK battleship is no longer worth a Billion ISK. Blames gankers, apparently for not ganking enough, while saying there is no room in the game for ganking?

Interesting new take on the grrr ganker argument.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#26 - 2017-02-22 23:25:08 UTC
Eve Griefer wrote:
Spenser for Hire wrote:


The sole purpose of the Gankers is to Grief other players! This is why Gankers have shifted from Suicide Ganking HULK's to suicide ganking Maruaders and other high sec blinged out ships! Because its about attacking Soft targets of high value because that guarantees Grief. Nothing but Bullies kicking over everyone's sandcastle but their own!



If the loot fairy is kind and the bling drops, then the gankers have made on their investment.
Profit is all the reason needed.


Nope. Not true. Profit is not required.

Where do you people get this stuff?

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Eve Griefer
Doomheim
#27 - 2017-02-22 23:39:23 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Eve Griefer wrote:
Spenser for Hire wrote:


The sole purpose of the Gankers is to Grief other players! This is why Gankers have shifted from Suicide Ganking HULK's to suicide ganking Maruaders and other high sec blinged out ships! Because its about attacking Soft targets of high value because that guarantees Grief. Nothing but Bullies kicking over everyone's sandcastle but their own!



If the loot fairy is kind and the bling drops, then the gankers have made on their investment.
Profit is all the reason needed.


Nope. Not true. Profit is not required.

Where do you people get this stuff?


Maybe I didn't word that as well as I might. I was simply trying to explain to the OP one reason for ganking that he might understand.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2017-02-22 23:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Spenser for Hire wrote:
20 to 25 pilots in ships worth 2mil each gank a high value, soft target worth more than 2 billion, at the very least, and the Gankers walk away with hundreds of millions of ISK!
And? Are you saying that the value of a "soft target" should determine the value of the stuff required to wreck it? I've got bad news for you, it doesn't work that way, in Eve or in the real world.

Why shouldn't the efforts of the many overwhelm the efforts, or lack thereof, of the one?

Quote:
They faced NO RISK whatsoever and reaped high rewards!
That they accept the risks involved, which are many, doesn't mean that the risks don't exist Roll

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#29 - 2017-02-23 00:09:21 UTC
Ah well. This is at least a refreshingly new blend of wine.

Skál!

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Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2017-02-23 00:20:29 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:
Eve Griefer wrote:
Spenser for Hire wrote:


The sole purpose of the Gankers is to Grief other players! This is why Gankers have shifted from Suicide Ganking HULK's to suicide ganking Maruaders and other high sec blinged out ships! Because its about attacking Soft targets of high value because that guarantees Grief. Nothing but Bullies kicking over everyone's sandcastle but their own!



If the loot fairy is kind and the bling drops, then the gankers have made on their investment.
Profit is all the reason needed.

the simplicity and the honesty are definitely appreciated.

And once again, EVE Online's so-called "Risk Vs. Reward" ethos is proven to be yet another of the myths that abound.

20 to 25 pilots in ships worth 2mil each gank a high value, soft target worth more than 2 billion, at the very least, and the Gankers walk away with hundreds of millions of ISK! They faced NO RISK whatsoever and reaped high rewards!


They risk that the gank might fail because a ship scanner gave imperfect intel (they do that) or some joker decloaks his Falcon and jams out half the gank fleet. Furthermore, the only reason they make so much is because of a deliberate choice of their target to fly so blingy.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2017-02-23 00:22:23 UTC
LouHodo wrote:
Spenser for Hire wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
IB4L?



I mean really, how batshit crazy do you have to be to conflate pirate BS prices, ganking, and safety in high sec?

Shouldn't you be asking that of the Suicide Gankers who claim that Suicide Ganking protects the market from being driven into the ground???

How Batshit crazy do you have to be to NOT understand that???



No offense but you can just report them for abuse and violation of the EULA rule 6 section C, item 16. Which is the catchall which in short says, "If it makes the game unfun for you, then it is against the rules."


Wrong. That doesn't apply to actions within the rules, and ganking is not against the rules of the game.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Wanda Fayne
#32 - 2017-02-23 00:28:46 UTC
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#33 - 2017-02-23 00:29:33 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
They risk that the gank might fail because a ship scanner gave imperfect intel (they do that)

I've witnessed a couple of failed battle cruiser ganks on DST's in Uedama over the last weeks. Ganking those things in battlecruisers seems to be a thing atm. I've still to witness one that actually succeeds.

Targets usually left local in high spirits Blink.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#34 - 2017-02-23 01:13:27 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Targets usually left local in high spirits Blink.

I would too if I survived!

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Zanar Skwigelf
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#35 - 2017-02-23 03:22:54 UTC
Quote:
20 to 25 pilots in ships worth 2mil each gank a high value, soft target worth more than 2 billion, at the very least, and the Gankers walk away with hundreds of millions of ISK! They faced NO RISK whatsoever and reaped high rewards!


Do we tell OP that if we use this logic then the 1, single bullet that killed Franz Ferdinand and started world war 1 should have cost enough money to bankrupt Germany? or do we just let him think that you have to spend a bil to earn a bil?
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#36 - 2017-02-23 03:41:20 UTC
this is some of the most incoherent, froth mouthed ranting i've read in, ohhh, minutes.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#37 - 2017-02-23 06:58:03 UTC
Who needs a salt lick when you can just vist the EVE GD...

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Salvos Rhoska
#38 - 2017-02-23 09:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Regardless of the rest, OP might be right about the Machariel market though.
At this moment there is a 20-30mil(~10%) profit per unit for trading Jita Machs to Rens Oo.
Grab that while you can.

Inversely, Rattlesnakes which are also very popular for PvE, seem to just get increasingly expensive.
Probably cos they dont get used in PvP as much, thus explode less.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2017-02-23 09:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
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CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#40 - 2017-02-23 09:21:34 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:
Trying to justify taking other kids' lunch-money by saying its good for the school economy!

As you clearly haven't figured this out yet, the whole point of Eve Online is to take the other kids' lunch money. The entire game is structured to put you in competition with, and at risk to, the other players.

New Eden has a destruction-based economy. The players built almost everything, and destroy the vast majority of things. Suicide ganking is only a modest, but not insignificant, fraction of that destruction, but is the only true non-consensual, player-driven risk to imprudent play in highsec. Given that highsec is suppose to be the safest space, this is perfectly appropriate, but nowhere in New Eden is suppose to be completely safe.

As you sort of correctly identify though, the reason your pirate battleship has dropped so much in value has nothing to do with their destruction. If anything, they are being destroyed at unprecedentedly high rates but there are just much more being built due to increased farming of them. So why are you blaming highsec ganking for what is clearly a supply-side game change that devalued your asset?

I think in this case, you need to look to CCP and their changes to anomalies as the bully that took your lunch money. It was their game changes that devalued your pirate battleship (or possibly the nullsec farmers who, notably, are immune to suicide ganking given the lack of CONCORD in those systems), not the lazy suicide gankers who failed to destroy enough of them.

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