EVE General Discussion

Whatever gave you that idea?

The rule being discussed doesn't forbid ganking, which is normal gameplay and doesn't break any rules.

Technically he is right.

Ganking IS against the rules.
But so is.....
-Undercutting on the markets.
-Non-consensual PvP.
-Gate Camping.
-loot snatching (theft)
-contract bidding wars
-non consensual corp wars.

Or anything that interferes with another players enjoyment of the game.

Yup, there is a difference, though, between ganking and griefing. If you make someone your special target, and keep on them, time after time, that's griefing. If they are stupid, and fly some expensive gank-bait and you take it, then fine, but if you hit them, over and over again, in the game, or in the forums, you're griefing.

Agreed, persistently targeting someone in game may well be considered to be griefing by CCP, however they do take into account circumstance; for example wardeccing every corp that someone joins and telling their CEO the reason why, isn't harassment/griefing AFAIK, that's generally retribution.

In game such things are probably dealt with on a case by case basis, there's a rough definition of what CCP may consider to be griefing, as in harassment, in the opening post of the bumping sticky over in C&P.

Replace bumping with PvP activity of choice and it's probably a halfway decent guideline, or as Neuntausend so elequontly put it:

"Don't be a massive prick and if anyone with a colorful name tells you to stop doing something, then stop doing it."

On the forums I couldn't possibly comment about what would be classified as harassment, strict as the rules may be the community team are incredibly tolerant. They must be, because when I drunk post, especially in ire, it can be incredibly offensive to the target, and entertaining for everyone else; I've never received a forum ban for it, but I'm pretty certain that I've been within a gnats danglies of one on more than one occasion.

Edited to reflect the point made below

Yeah, I just had one of those, ending on the 21st, hilariously called Ishtar preservation society or whatever. lol

Know how you can best preserve Ishtar lovers? By killing them, apparently. I didn't suffer a loss, but still, it was funny that they paid. Instead of recognizing a kindred spirit and asking me to join them, what did they do? Declare war. I'll never understand people, I guess, beyond, 'they're evil and stupid.'

99% of it is no different from that of other games, are theirs a joke too? Have you read the work of art that is the EULA for a Microsoft product?

Eh, what's wrong with Linux's GPL? It offers you all the things you mentioned but makes sure the software stays free so the whole industry can profit from the improvements.

Do you use Windows to play EVE?

Shooting spaceships in a spaceship shooting game is obviously not against the EULA. Posting killmails on the forums however is clearly against the forum rules.

Wrong again. There's no rule saying I'm not allowed to engage people who don't want to fight me. Therefore it's not in violation of Rule 6, Section C, Item 16. If it's not fun for you, too bad and welcome to EvE.

Yep you can, and we can laugh at you for it.

The point that you're failing to see is that shooting people in the face or otherwise interfering with their enjoyment, with or without their express consent, is considered by CCP to be normal game play, and thus within the rules of the game; there is one explicit exception that will get the attention of CCP, messing with newbies in the tutorial systems and Arnon.

The rule that you're hung up on is there to cover the possibility that someone may go outside of the realms of what is considered to be normal gameplay in order to target someone for the purposes of interfering with their enjoyment of the game. DDOSing and Doxxing etc are the kinds of things that this rule is designed to cover, as is the infamous bonus room of Erotica1.

For reference purposes, the following are considered to be normal gameplay, it is not complete.

• Suicide ganking
• Wars
• Mission Invasions
• Ninja Looting
• Suspect baiting
• Scams
• AWOXing
• Corporate Theft
• Ransoms
• Gatecamps