EVE General Discussion

If you have a big enough Alliance living in a small enough area and fast responding fleets you can risk high amounts of ISK and still be relatively safe. Like the Goons mining with a lot of Roquals that are together worth over a hundred Billions. Spread you Alliance over to much space and you will lose stuff, be to slow when your ships get tackled and you will lose stuff, don’t bring the numbers and you will lose stuff. Simple as that. Roquals are just a nice tool to make a good use of territory superiority. If you didn’t secure your space like that you are better of mining in anything less expensive.

The barge is something to do while skilling up for a Rorqual. It takes quite a few months to train all the necessary skills.

Quite obviously the point of a Barge is for situations where a Rorq isn't a good idea. For your education i'll list a few situations, and i'm sure you can think of a few more really

○ In Hisec where Rorq is not allowed to operate.
○ In dangerous space where heavy reinforcements are not available to defend said Rorq.
○ When you don't have the SP for a Rorq.
○ When your corp cannot secure it's space reasonably from aggressors.
○ When you or your corp do not have billions to drop on a mining ship / fleet of mining ships.

Your question implies there is no point in anything except the biggest version of whatever ship, which is so short sighted i'm pretty sure you didn't think through your post at all.

TLDR:
-Rorqs with sufficient defense support allows for vast material generation.

Impact:
-A large NS entity that fields them en-mass, can accrue absolutely insane amounts of materials.
-A smaller NS entity, even if previously defeated, can commensurately rapidly rebuild its capacity/relevance, if they redirect/incentivize those materials to that purpose.

The real problem is in the resultant supply/demand of materials, and the free-flow of material to and from NS lucrative production areas and lucrative HS markets.

You find 386mil/hr for shooting at rocks, reasonable?

Really?

As I said above, the real problem here is when this enormous mineral generation in the most lucrative sectors of space saturates its own local market demands and begins to flood into HS markets.

386mil/hr is an insane rate, specific to a certain sector and certain hull.
Invariably, this WILL collapse the mineral market, and by extension, all other markets that involve minerals.

Inflation is inevitable.

Rorq yield, compounded by the lucrative space in which they operate, is going to flood the market.
There is nowhere near enough material destruction in NS, or anywhere else, to offset this rate of mineral generation from Rorqs in NS.

The destruction of a Rorq, interms of material sink from the market, is insignificant compared to how much material that Rorq can introduce to the market.

The more Rorqs there are, the cheaper minerals will be, and the cheaper more Rorqs will be.
But none of that changes the yield Rorqs can achieve.

386mil/hr is madness for a passive activity in EVE.
And it wont be that for long, because Rorqs are going to oversupply the mineral market.

This is a guaranteed systemic spiral into inflation.

"Any decision or change you make will **** off some portion of your playerbase, including the decision to change nothing."

Your conclusions are flawed here, as are your inputs. First off, we don't have enough data to know for sure what the Rorqual will do to the markets long-term.

Second, Eve has never been in economic homeostasis, ever. The economy has grown, shrunk, and changed for *years*.

Also it's basically never been the case that HS and Null operated independently of each other. There are some materials that are only found in Null and some that can only be mined in large quantities in Null. Also Null has basically always imported a lot of things from High Sec, and in fact it's only been in the last few years that CCP have taken steps to incentivize more industrial activity in Null outside of things which can only be produced there.

You're also completely ignoring the rather high cost of transporting large volumes of minerals from Null to High Sec. Jump Freighters are expensive, as is fuel, and minerals actually aren't all that value-dense compared to finished goods. That's why if you look at the market you can buy minerals in Null *much* more cheaply than in Jita right now, and the orders are spread out all over.

Lastly you and anyone else in this thread don't really have enough data to say for sure that the Rorqual is over performing right now, especially after CCP recently nerfed the Harvester drones.

Watch and see it happen.

Once local NS markets are saturated for their own needs, surplus minerals and products generated in NS advantaged systems will begin flooding to HS, to the result of inflation.

This is especially problematic for players that source their income from re-sale of non-mineral PVE sourced items, because they cant increase their yield to compete with the buffed yield of Rorqs that provide the fundamental materials required for all of EVEs production chains.

The nature of the relationship between NS and HS, is that NS has greater yields, but HS has the competitive markets.

The problem with the Rorq, is that CCP buffed it so hard, that whereas Rorqs where previously a largely inconsequential element in EVE (which was crap), they are now suddenly the best at resource harvesting, in the systems with the best yields and (arguably) best security.

As long as Rorq stats are as insane as they currently are, it really doesnt matter what the rate of their destruction is (which likely will remain low). Furthermore, the enormous mineral yield Rorqs provide when introduced to the market, will reduce the cost of each subsequent Rorq production, thus proliferating more Rorqs, etc.

It is inevitable, that Rorqs are going to lead to inflation.
They now mine so hard in the most lucrative of space, that there is no way around that conclusion.

That would also involve PLEXing, training and multitasking 11 accounts, as opposed to 2.

Im sure you will agree it is cheaper and more pragmatic to fly/train/PLEX 2 Rorqs, rather than 1 Rorq + 10 hulks.