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so this is there real future for new players? gate camp?

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#421 - 2017-02-15 21:15:13 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Aves Asio wrote:
Did your camp have any strategic value or were you doing it just for lulz?
Does it matter?


I was there mostly for the lulz and conversation.

The guys in Rancer felt like it was "their system" I would say.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#422 - 2017-02-15 21:21:52 UTC
It can serve tactical purposes. If you control what comes into a constellation from highsec, that can be a big deal. In most cases it won't serve tactical purposes, though, because many lowsec regulars *want* people in "their" space, so they can shoot them. Because lowsec is the place for randomly shooting people. Don't be shocked if you go there and get shot.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#423 - 2017-02-15 22:32:10 UTC
Aves Asio wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
No, you move it “towards” NS


Oh i see, yes you have a point there. You might catch an iteron or something doing that but nothing substantial that could severely impact the traffic of ships and materials between null and high because the majority of it is being moved by jumpfreighters

Teckos Pech wrote:
Yes they do, I was recently camping in Rancer with some guys there. Based on which way the target was coming we’d jump in the Crie, move to Miro, even go site on the Ambeke gate in Crie.


Did your camp have any strategic value or were you doing it just for lulz?


does your playstyle have any strategic value? actually, what is your playstyle?

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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#424 - 2017-02-15 23:19:29 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Just stay in high-sec and train-up. You can make upwards of 200m ISK an hour blitzing L4s and Burners. Zero risk. Plus it pisses the low-sec and null-sec players off to no extent...

What are L4's and Burners? Im only a month into the game so id like to know
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#425 - 2017-02-15 23:21:17 UTC
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Just stay in high-sec and train-up. You can make upwards of 200m ISK an hour blitzing L4s and Burners. Zero risk. Plus it pisses the low-sec and null-sec players off to no extent...

What are L4's and Burners? Im only a month into the game so id like to know


tedious missions, and they dont **** off lowsec players as we make more in lowsec blitzing L5's something that highseccers are too scared to do

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#426 - 2017-02-15 23:22:02 UTC
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Just stay in high-sec and train-up. You can make upwards of 200m ISK an hour blitzing L4s and Burners. Zero risk. Plus it pisses the low-sec and null-sec players off to no extent...

What are L4's and Burners? Im only a month into the game so id like to know

Level 4 security missions - which include Burner missions (Elite NPCs that you need train up to take on).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#427 - 2017-02-16 02:59:38 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


"Spawn camping at gates" so gatecamping? fml

ok camping is litterally risk free, even though ive lost numerous battleships and on that gate, dreadnaughts have died, shadow cartel, ee, bombers bar, and numerous other entities drop on that camp quite often, you have no idea what you are talking about.


Maybe you're just bad? But I guess the middle position in the pecking order between hapless gankee and hotdropping hammer vs. mosquito suits you fine

Exciting gameplay : O


Neuntausend wrote:

In the same sense, traveling with a scout provides "risk free" (because of scouts) means of beating those camps. So - do it!


Are you telling me that I need a secondary account?

Are you seriously implying that EvE is P2W, or rather P2reducegankingprobability?

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#428 - 2017-02-16 03:01:33 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
tedious missions, and they dont **** off lowsec players as we make more in lowsec blitzing L5's something that highseccers are too scared to do

I'm not scared of running L5s at all. Just that my chances of pulling it off as a solo endeavour are very slim...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#429 - 2017-02-16 05:39:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:

Are you telling me that I need a secondary account?

Are you seriously implying that EvE is P2W, or rather P2reducegankingprobability?



You, yes. You will absolutely need a second account.

The rest of us can just ask a friend.

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#430 - 2017-02-16 05:52:26 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


"Spawn camping at gates" so gatecamping? fml

ok camping is litterally risk free, even though ive lost numerous battleships and on that gate, dreadnaughts have died, shadow cartel, ee, bombers bar, and numerous other entities drop on that camp quite often, you have no idea what you are talking about.


Maybe you're just bad? But I guess the middle position in the pecking order between hapless gankee and hotdropping hammer vs. mosquito suits you fine

Exciting gameplay : O



not as bad as people who QQ about gatecamps like you. Smile

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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#431 - 2017-02-16 07:07:11 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:


You, yes. You will absolutely need a second account.

The rest of us can just ask a friend.


- Can you scout for me forevermore wherever I go?
- Lol no
- Ok then I'll just buy a secondary account ^^


Nat Silverguard wrote:


not as bad as people who QQ about gatecamps like you. Smile


You mean spawn camps?

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#432 - 2017-02-16 07:10:02 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


"Spawn camping at gates" so gatecamping? fml

ok camping is litterally risk free, even though ive lost numerous battleships and on that gate, dreadnaughts have died, shadow cartel, ee, bombers bar, and numerous other entities drop on that camp quite often, you have no idea what you are talking about.


Maybe you're just bad? But I guess the middle position in the pecking order between hapless gankee and hotdropping hammer vs. mosquito suits you fine

Exciting gameplay : O


Neuntausend wrote:

In the same sense, traveling with a scout provides "risk free" (because of scouts) means of beating those camps. So - do it!


Are you telling me that I need a secondary account?

Are you seriously implying that EvE is P2W, or rather P2reducegankingprobability?



Yes im bad, are you saying you need to be good to do a risk free instant win activity? Shocked

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Salvos Rhoska
#433 - 2017-02-16 08:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Aves Asio wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
They are the one remaining systemic buffer on the enormous traffic between NS/HS (both ships and material).


Passing through lowsec on the way from null to high, camps will be on your outgate and therefore ineffective. Moving assets from hisec to null is even easier as jump freighters can jump from hisec.


Salvos Rhoska wrote:
They also constitute a means for LS locals to defend their space/content against incursions from both HS and NS, from both directions.


See that never happenes, no lowsec entity can claim and control multiple sistems. Usualy its one staging sistem and even in that case the control comes in the form of lots of angry bored ppl docked in a station.


Read my post directly below the one you quoted above.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6836405#post6836405

I specifically answer each of these there.

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Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#434 - 2017-02-16 08:37:53 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:

You mean spawn camps?


What exactly do you mean by spawn camping? Do you mean camping your clone station? If so, then you have multiple options available.

1) instawarping or otherwise fast align ships to bust their station camp. And fly somewhere else for a bit. If you don't have one available, can't buy one locally or have a friend deliver one. Then you should fix that for the future.

2) jump clones. If you have one elsewhere. Use it and fly somewhere else for a bit. If you don't have one, set one up for future use.

3) log out and play an alt or just do something else for a bit. Take a shower. Make dinner etc. They will eventually get bored and leave.

4) if for whatever reason none of the above are possible. You always have the option to set your home station back to your HS "school station" can even do it remotely. Can suicide clone back to HS and continue on with your day.

Now. Hypothetically if someone has your home system camped. Has figured out where all of your jump clones are. Has fleets at every one of those stations and has multiple instalocking gank ships at your HS school system 24 hours a day... and have done that for every one of your alts... well I just want to say congratulations because you must have pulled off something truly spectacular to **** off that many people that intensely. Please let us know the story because it has got to be one of the best to ever come out of eve.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#435 - 2017-02-16 08:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
What exactly do you mean by spawn camping?


she means gatecamping, she even went as far as to call it "spawn camping at gates", just gatecamping as everyone else in the game knows it as, think she is just trying to coin a new term to align more with her agenda.

Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:

- Can you scout for me forevermore wherever I go?
- Lol no
- Ok then I'll just buy a secondary account ^^


why dont you use your brain and use the alt you use for posting on the forums?

HOWEVER YOU DO NOT NEED A SCOUT TO GET PAST TAMA BECAUSE IF THERE IS A CAMP THERE IS ALSO A STREAM ON TWITCH AND NUMEROUS WARNINGS IN THE HIGHSEC SYSTEM. FFS EVEN ASK IN LOCAL AND PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU.

stop being reta****

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#436 - 2017-02-16 09:00:53 UTC
Hakawai wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
everyone who has ever played EVE has had to deal with gate camps,station camps, denial of service in systems, ganks, awoxers, infiltration, back stabbing and theft.

it's always been a part of the game.

along comes a new guy and thinks he or she has all the answers to make EVE somehow better in thier view.

you don't show up to a football match and insist on the rules being adjusted to suit how you want to play.

the defenders on the other team won't take it easy on you, nope, the goaly isn't going to look the other way and let you score just because you're new to the game.

nope! everyone on both teams, including the spectators are going to think is this gobshite serious?????

learn how to play the game or don't we can't make you learn.


I know they're "part of the game" - it looks like the 05-0.4 interface was designed around the choke points.

Something quite interesting about this thread though - nobody has yet described a positive effect on the game, or a "game-positive" outcome (like an interesting transfer of resources) for players.

The only upside we've been presented with is how great they are for fun-vampires.

We've also heard many times how easy this particular gate camp is to avoid, even for a new player.

It's an interesting combination - only the most inexperienced or naive players would ever get trapped, and only the fun-vampires get anything out of it. On the surface it's quite good evidence that at least the 0.5-0.4 choke points are actually bad for CCP, but perhaps they haven't noticed that yet.

Or that CCP favors fun-vampires over new players, and share their view that new/inexperienced players are a consumable resource.


these so called choke points are all in your head, there is always a different way to get to places you need to be.

have you factored in orders?

you do get that some players are under orders to kill everything that enters the system they are camping?

could be for intel reasons, could be to train new pilots, could be to stat pad their KB's many reasons,, hell it could even be just for fun or bored at not finding the target they wanted and the gate camp is better than nothing.

many reasons so dont' just jump on the hey them bad guys are ruining the game and CCP needs to look,,, ffs they know very well how their game works.
tar1901
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#437 - 2017-02-16 09:08:30 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Once you leave high-sec there is an extremely short learning curve...


Yea, like exploits like this don't happen in High-sec.

This kind of "PvP" is the selling point of Eve Online, that is as long as they have players to take the bait. But now it looks like CCP had to bring in the F2P feature to bait new payers into the game.

I remember some years ago a blackmail scheme that forced miners to pay protection money to some corps so they don't get their mining ships blown up in High-Sec. I was wondering why the hell did this players still insisted on mining or even playing this game
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#438 - 2017-02-16 09:09:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
tar1901 wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Once you leave high-sec there is an extremely short learning curve...


Yea, like exploits like this don't happen in High-sec.

This kind of "PvP" is the selling point of Eve Online, that is as long as they have players to take the bait. But now it looks like CCP had to bring in the F2P feature to bait new payers into the game.

I remember some years ago a blackmail scheme that forced miners to pay protection money to some corps so they don't get their mining ships blown up in High-Sec. I was wondering why the hell did this players still insisted on mining or even playing this game


would you like to buy a Tama Pass? what exploit are you talking about? sitting on a gate shooting things in a game about shooting things?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#439 - 2017-02-16 09:13:55 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:


You mean spawn camps?


just curious, where/which system were you killed and how much did you lose to produce this much of salt?

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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#440 - 2017-02-16 09:32:41 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


Yes im bad, are you saying you need to be good to do a risk free instant win activity? Shocked


No, I'm saying you must be especially bad to get caught while spawn camping


Lan Wang wrote:


why dont you use your brain and use the alt you use for posting on the forums?


Because logging out logging in logging out logging in with two characters on the same account, playing catch up and having delayed info on gates, is especially bothersome and half efficient

So buying another account is the only solution, apart from having a selfless friend that will scout for you 24/7

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW