EVE General Discussion

And yours, in turn, assumes that appearing on grid with a gate camper(s) is a foregone conclusion. If it was, you'd be right, but it's not, so you're not.

Two of my most hear-thumping moments in my EVE career were when I jumped into a system only to encounter gate campers. Once was in null, having just jumped in from W-space, I was met with a whole fleet, including, you guessed it, bubbles. I drop gate cloak, enable my T2 cloak and move as fast as my now addled ship would move. The fleet all shot towards me, drones out, hoping to force a decloak. They failed. We had a nice little conversation after. That was the day I politely turned down an invite from one of the Imperium member corps.

The other was a losec camp consisting of a single Proteus(? Can't remember for sure, but was definitely T3). Same deal as last time except I was using a T1 cloak, so no cloak/WMD trick for me (pretty sure this was one of my 1st gate camps I actually survived). Like the fleet, he charged at my last known location with drones out - he came pretty close, heart was in my throat on that one.

Of course, if gate camps/spawn camps weren't a valid game play mechanic in EVE Online, those scenarios and God only knows how many similar ones like them simply wouldn't exist.

Indeed: just buy a secondary account, and spawn camp issues go away

I really enjoyed your anecdotal evidence that you had fun two times being spawn camped, and got a nice adrenaline rush out of those + an invite to join a spawn camping guild

I guess that settles the issue, then. Spawn camping is a valid game mechanic because masochists enjoy avoiding losing hours of grind by pushing a button activating a cloak only available after having "skilled" for it (i.e. spent time while a progress bar progressed), and being lucky enough so spawn campers do not press the mwd while being precisely aligned in your general direction.

Such a deep and exciting gameplay : O

See, extorting of rage and distress by playing a game does indeed not touch real life. When you get bullied or scammed or beaten up in real life, you usually do not have the means necessary to escape your predicament. You can't quit or take a break from real life after all. If in a game you get angry or frustrated due to loosing something - and it really doesn't matter whether you think the other player is just "playing to win" or "playing to extort anger", as for you the result would be the same - then you can just log out for a day, lean back, calm down and be free of the bullies - or opponents, whatever you may prefer calling them. And if you cannot handle loosing in a game, I highly recommend doing so every once in a while.

Quinn is absolutely right - Schadenfreude is an integral part of most competetive games. You will be happy if you win, and you will be not so happy, or sometimes even angry if you loose. And the winner will enjoy your anger, and it's (ideally) all in good faith, knowing that it's just a game. The winner can enjoy his Schadenfreude, and the looser has not really been hurt, because he just lost a game and doesn't have to suffer any real world consequences.

There is a very popular, quite old german boardgame called "Mensch ärgere dich nicht" - or translated "Man, don't be angry". This is an ironic jab at the fact, that players frequently get very frustrated and even angry if they get sent back to zero by the unlucky roll of a die. This game is a very good example for this, as it openly and intentionally aims at making the looser angry. Players may end up in a situation where they have the choice to make this situation happen. They could opt not to do so, but often times they will, and they will laugh and enjoy the opponents anger and curses. Many games work because of this, but few are so open about this.

Eve is very similar in this regard. Many will tell you that it's unfair, that it's hard, that you are never safe, and permaband literally tells you to harden the f\\k up already. CCP do not make a secret out of the fact that ganking and scamming and skullduggery are very much an integral part of the game.

If you feel angry, frustrated and real-life bullied after getting popped by a gatecamp, I suggest to log out for a while and cool down. Once you feel better, you can think about how you could have avoided that loss there, laugh at your own mistake and log back in. And if you really cannot handle getting pwned in an online game, if you feel frustrated and distressed because if it, there's also the option to make the only winning move and not play.

The English version is called "Sorry!".

It's probably the largest cause of intra-family violence, second only to Monopoly. :)

"It's your fault you get angry when I go out of my way to make you angry"

"Why don't you play the game as a game, when I don't play it as a game, but as a platform to harvest Schadenfreude and make random people rage IRL?"

"I'm such a badass look at me I trained all the spawn camping escaping techs, I can skilfully get out by pressing a button"

"All social games and sports are designed around making your opponents miserable: that's how much I know of RL interactions, from my basement dwelling"


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Your interpretation of what people have said in this thread is way off kilter.

You obviously have issues with the way that the game is played, so the question must be asked, why do you play it?

If you don't play it and are using your account to lash out, why are you bothering when you know that you'll get slapped around on the forums for doing so?

You come across as very angry about something, every post you make plays into the hands of those that you deplore so much.

I suggest stepping away from the forums and finding a game and venue for discussion that suits your wants and needs, Eve and its forums are obviously not good for your blood pressure.

Why would that be an example of honourable?

Of course, that's posted as evidence of the opposite, but so what? No one has claimed this sort of thing doesn't happen. Just that the extreme claim made earlier was not correct.

There's also this at the same time: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5u01c7/my_succesful_pirate_distraction_in_lowsec/?st=IZ67K9FH&sh=a53742a6

Not bounty related, but this seems to have drifted to 'honour' now anyway.

Extremes are rarely the norm.

It really is amazing how delusional these EVE apologists are.

You've got the biggest trade hubs chat filled with spam bots trying to scam people and creating lag and these clowns claim its a features. LOL!

Suicide ganking is so commonplace its a joke.

According to the moronic apologists and CCP, it is also somehow not griefing when someone flies into your mission and blows up your mission objective, causing you to take a massive standing hit for mission failure. Or the people who camping high traffic gates in high sec suicide ganking shuttles in the hopes of destroying someones implants or expensive ship solely to cause mental anguish. That is also considered "not griefing".

CCP only considers it griefing when you do it to the same person repeatedly, and within a short time period, which is nonsense because these people are still trying to grief others all day long, just not a single target.

so EVE is essentially the PVPMMORPG for griefers, scammers, and those who suck at skill-based pvp games.

To everyone to isn't a delusional apologist, it really not the most respectable game devs or community that one would want to belong to.

Local chat can't cause lag.

Blowing up a shuttle doesn't cause one to lose their implants.

If you are suffering anguish over the loss of a ship maybe one should talk to somebody about that, even broadcast4reps (not being sarcastic here). After all anguish is extreme mental of phsyical suffering. I was experiencing anguish when my dog died. I was a little upset when my rhea went boom. You should not be suffering mental anguish over any video game.

More than that, if you hate this game so much why you even here? Just to troll, whine, ***** and complain?