EVE General Discussion

I said (in different terms) I was unable to contextualize the warning, so it had no real meaning to me.

It was just one more random piece of information, equivalent to the entirely meaningless "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" (at least it's possible now, though it takes too much grinding time - back then it wasn't possible).

I'm not offering a "magic wand" for dealing with this information overload issue because there isn't one. For example, I mentioned in an earlier post that perhaps a compulsory 3-month stint in EVE Uni would be enough to get new players ready for EVE ... but that's not a practical solution. Actually it just highlights the problem with information and experience.

Wut?

I had no trouble. I saw the pop-up and read it. Closed it and turned my ship around.

What kind of special snowflake are you?

You seem to conflate playing a multiplayer game, and striving for ingame goals, with gaming a multiplayer game for out-of-game and very much RL goals, such as making complete strangers rage and quit, just because you can, and because you can only feel good about yourself by having some random joe lose hours if not days of ingame progress : the very definition of Schadenfreude (which is a result, not a mechanic, look up the definition).
It all goes far beyong gatecamps, as scams and awox rely on emotional manipulation, not ingame mechanics.

CCP came to encourage those actions (which were seldom encountered before 2006 I'd say, when the griefer community finally coalesced around some heros like Lofty29) because they saw that griefing required multiple accounts to be carried out properly, and that the masochists who enjoy this "game" also need multiple accounts, for at the very least scouting, and more generally not putting all their eggs in the same basket.
When did "Power of 2" first appeared? hmm...

UO was trammelized because the griefing subcommunity was only interested in making people rage by exploiting game mechanics, and were therefore killing the game (can't proactively defend yourself by buying more accounts in a twitch-based game, which EvE isn't, but UO is/was). If EvE's devs really come from UO and this griefing sub-community, It will probably go full circle at some point in the future, when CCP gets sold to investors who decide to try and make this "game" more mainstream by removing grief addicts and the mechanics that enable them.
It will fail horribly, as sadism and masochism are propping up crappy gameplay, which will appear in all its crappiness should players have to "play nice" (the basis of all social games and sports) and play pretend being pod pilots, instead of carrying out their RL impotent fantasies of domination in a multiplayer game by playing RL-based mind tricks on complete strangers (eg pretending wanting to help, pretending recruiting in good faith...)


In b4 sub-80IQ comparisons with chess (simple rules, no multiple accounts, balanced engagement) and FPS (no multiple accounts, balanced engagements, twitch-based)

Not true at all. Learn your history. EVE has been a game that has allowed “griefing” from the get go.

As a 2003 player who was in the beta, I probably know more about EvE history than you do :^)

Do you suffer from comprehension issues? "seldom encountered before 2006" = griefing was allowed from the start but was not as heavily practiced, before around 2006

So, while it was allowed, the community hadn't made it a staple.
Then came "Power of 2", and elaborate scams and awoxes really developed.

Wonder why? really makes u think

Removing spawn camping would be bad for business, as it would lessen the need for scouting, and scouting is one of the main reasons to get a secondary account.

As previously said, the crappy gameplay is offset or gamed by the use of multiple accounts simultaneously logged in. Change gameplay in a way that makes sense in the play-pretend universe that's supposed to be technologically extremely advanced (ex ability to know what's on the other side of a gate, or to check whether a pod pilot has a trustworthy contract history, etc etc), and you remove the need or appeal for multiple accounts.

it is, ill tell you why, tama gets dropped on by a lot of groups often, its an easy fight dropping on tama, you hardly need to gather intel to find out what they have on grid and ships are expensive, so removing things like tama camps is removing content not just from campers but also pvp groups.

how about we remove highsec mission running because thats not a conflict generator either, lets remove warpcore stabalisers, insta-warping and cloaky mwd tricks because lets face it they are anti-conflict also, that sound better for you?

lets remove concord too as they are not conflict generators either?

edit: its not spawn camping....spawn camping is unavoidable, last i checked you can avoid gatecamps pretty easily



do you actually think its hard to avoid a gatecamp? if you do you should really go play something like viva pinata till you decide to pick up all the feathers you've been dropping around the floor

No, which is why I'm against nerfing them.

It sounded like you wanted them nerfed, sorry if i read that wrong

Eve has a niche with 0 competition BECAUSE of its harshness. If it were to lose that, it would become lost in the shuffle of endless WoW wannabes.

There is no griefing in this game I can think of that does not have either a counter or a way to avoid it. Adapt.