EVE General Discussion

BTW, did you read the part about asking for help/guidance here vs. rage quitting like a little b**ch? If he had come here and said, "How can I get in there," I'm sure 1 or more people would have pointed him to dotlan and said, "Try those other routes," or even suggest other LS pockets to go explore that are less dangerous.

There are nice people in game FFS. But when you come here like an entitled **** swizzler you aren't going to find the nice people.

This!

This has nothing to do with the quoted comment.

You should have gone for the one that points out that people don't like having large amounts of their time wasted.
Gate Camps are impassible for new players (perhaps even for old timers), and they are located so there's no convenient, (reasonably time-efficient) bypass. As a chokepoint in defense of "owned" space, they're a great idea. At a 0.5/0.4 interface they're just a time-waster.


One interpretation of 0.5/0.4 gate camping (with much better logic behind it than the "ganked players stay" argument /lol) is that the old timers are trying their best to discourage new players from leaving HighSec.

But why? Here there's too little to data to form a hypothesis, but one aspect for which there's supporting data: perhaps it's because old timers enjoy whining about new players staying in high sec?

You don't have to grovel FFS. That is the point. Just ask for help and there are plenty of people who would offer good advice. Simple pointing to Dotlan and how to use it would be good advice. How to use the in game map would be good advice. Many of the "bitter salty vets" would likely point to those things.

The gate camp is a lesson. When you run in to it. Look for an alternate solution vs. reshipping and doing that same thing again and again expecting a different result. Seriously, that is often the definition of insanity and at the very least stupidity.

This is at least a start at providing data. To summarize:

• CCP checked some stats for the first 15 days of 80K new players
• They identified a split "ganked/not ganked"
• They found a correlation between "ganked" and "continued playing after 15 days"

Now we need confirmation of the "fuzzy parts" of your claim ( it's a general rule in statistics that "fuzzy" claims tend to be poorly supported by the data)

• Were these trials? If trials plus subscriptions, how many were "direct subscription"?
• Did they actually say "ganked", or something else?
• If they actually said "died to PvP", did they look for the context (e.g. there's a difference between Faction War and Gate Camp)
• Did CCP seriously suggest there's a meaningful correlation between "ganked" and "playing on", or was it a joke?
• How did they define "continued playing"? One month? One year?

No. They found the following:

1. Those ganked played the longest.
2. Those killed legally played the next longest, most likely the same as in 1--i.e. the difference is statistically insignificant.
3. Those who were not ganked played the shortest time in game.

The rest of your questions are just obfuscation because the results do not comport with your prior beliefs. This is why I think frequentist statistics is bullshit. If the data suggest your priors are wrong you should update your priors based on the new data. Nope instead we get nonsense questions like, "were these trials". Yeah, some probably were trials, but after the gank most opted to go for a paid account. Duh!

Were they ganked/did they actually say ganked? Duh they looked at the killer(s). Were the killer(s) killed by CONCORD? If yes, then suicide ganked. There was no interview FFS.

I mean holy ****...go watch the ******* presentation it is on ******* youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

Really...go watch the ******* presentation so you don't come off like a complete ignoramus. BTW, a gate camp won't involve CONCORD you moob.

And here is something for you butthurt anti-ganking/anti-pvp NUBs.

My interpretation of this presentation is that player-on-player interaction is good for retention. That also includes positive/cooperative player-on-player interaction. In fact, this presentation does not look at that kind of player-on-player interaction. It is quite possible that such interaction has an even stronger retention effect. Did you dipthongs even think of that? No, you were so busy trying to "disprove" this presentation with a load of nonsense because it did not fit with your prior belief therefore it must be wrong.

BTW, read that last sentence again.

I am calling you a dogmatic fool.

"Hi, I'm presented with data that goes against my prior beliefs, so instead of re-evaluating my prior beliefs, I'll do anything and everything to justify clinging to those beliefs."

I got some bad news for you, that is the basis of junk science.

Methodologically speaking you are a freaking nightmare. Let me throw a bunch of **** at the wall and see what sticks.

I don't use youtube at all.

There must be some original material somewhere on one of CCP's sites? Or at least a static copy of the presentation?

Oh, and I doubt CCP will make anything available on their site as it would likely run into problems with player confidentiality agreements.

Maybe you could hire a lawyer who contacts CCP, and you guys work out a NDA and you can then have access to the data, but frankly I doubt it.

Maybe you should just watch the presentation youtube and simply pretend you are in the audience.

this is the thing about Tama, you look on twitch there is a stream called "IsTamaCamped" which actually streams the otherside of the gate, you jump into Nourv and there is dozens of mobile depots AROUND the gate with a link to the stream and various notices mentioning the gate is camped ffs people even have citadels marked "GATECAMP AHEAD!!!!", yet people by the hundreds still persist on jumping through that gate to feed the campers regardless of the overview being littered with warnings.

Tama is the most camped system and also the system with the most amount of warnings in the game.

It just starts to get funny how stupid people are in this game.

Hakawai,

I want to point out that you are making statements about something you know very little about. You are making statements about a presentation YOU HAVE NOT EVEN WATCHED.

I think that should be a good enough response from here on out. Ignore Hakawai's response because he has not even watched the presentation...and in fact, refuses to do so.

You are literally the kid who has stuck his fingers in his ears while chanting "Lalalalalala, I can't hear you."

Edit: If you watch the youtube video I have linked as well a Scipio the presentation on suicide ganking is just under 5 minutes.

Five F**KING minutes you cannot bring yourself to watch.

Five minutes.

Here is some advice: STFU.

Edit II: And it is the first 5 minutes. In other words you click on the link, watch for 5 minutes and there you are done.

Talk about being a dogmatic jackass.