CSM Campaigns

I agree its worthwhile to discuss these issues and sort it out. I have not heard anyone say it is a problem to have more neutrals than fw guys pvping in fw space.
But let's say that it is the problem for whatever reason. The way to fix it would be to make the pvpers want to join fw. Why don't they join? Rabbit plexing is ridiculous but if you don't do it you will lose your system and be locked out. (so any measures that reduce rabbit plexing would probably help) Also you have more targets when you can shoot both militias. Making fw 1v1v1v1 would help with this quite a bit. But also if being in the militia meant that you had access to a real time intel tool that let you know what plexes were attacked, those who like to pvp in fw plexes would have a big reason to join fw instead of staying neutral. (more on that below)




Ok so there are 2 questions. 1) do most players go to null sec or fw or low sec neutral to start pvp? 2) Where should ccp direct them if they are going to direct them?

Do you think allot of the people in karmafleet used to be in faction war? I would think more people go to null sec and probably should go to null sec first.

It’s true that plexes help you wittle down engagements. But that is still not as easy as being in the blob. Being in large null sec blobs seems the easiest pvp to have. Also the gate camping with bubbles and no gate guns seems pretty easy as well. But again I think it depends on the person. I think they are both options but I really don't think either should be shaped based on how new players will like them. I think they should both offer very different types of play so eve can things that appeal to a wide range of people.



Ok first as far as spam. I think one approach would be to have it work through a map interface. That way there would be no spam. So for example it could give a blue number of the number of friendlies running plexes in a system and a red number for the number of enemies running plexes in a system. (It would be great if you could easily set desto from this tool.) Some other possibilities would be to have a tool that shows intel based on the number of jumps from your current position. It could give more in depth intel such as the type of plex being run (novice small medium or large). Again no spam.

Now you say it might be too strong. I agree it would be a strong tool. That is why I think allot of people who like to pvp in plexes would want to join a militia in order to get it! This will mean that more pvpers are suddenly showing up at these plexes and getting more and more pvp. I think this combined with a rollback – maybe even a relatively weak one like you propose would turn fw into a bloodbath. Which would be awesome.

So what problem are we trying to solve? The problem is that fw sov is most efficiently won by running away. The api information I gave is the proof of that. No one is going to care about a sov system when sov is won by running away. So people by and large don’t care about fw sov.

With intel the rabbits can still run but they cant hide. And the rollbacks will make rabbit plexing even less efficient. This will almost certainly put rabbit plexing out of business.

Now you say people can’t capture a system quickly. That’s true. But whether fast or slow plexing is only fun when there is pvp – otherwise it is just a grind. So yes I will see my system has been plexed after I went to sleep and now I can sit in a defensive plex and get it back. But if no one shows up to fight that is horribly boring and a reason why people leave fw. What needs to happen is ccp needs to provide mechanics where more plexes are fought over. Then winning a plex becomes an accomplishment and not a grind. Letting pilots know where plexes are being taken so they can fight over them is an obvious step to making that happen.

As far as ccp wanting people to do more scouting, I can only say it is not happening with fw. FW players are not going to start scouting when so many are just rabbits. People stopped caring about it. It’s sort of a chicken and egg issue. Its been years and players don’t scout for this stuff. CCP needs to provide the players the tools to ignite the spark again. They shouldn’t think players are suddenly going to start caring about this broken sov system enough to scout out where the plexes are.

The system needs better intel tools and rollbacks. CCP and the players understood this before and ccp promised both. But then CCP went silent and never delivered. And no one from csm ever seemed to bring it up either which is why I am honestly less than impressed with the csm.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6607431#post6607431

There is another FW CSM Candidate campaigning that the station lockouts don't matter anymore because of Citadels, So I'm surprised how split people are on this subject. I'll concede that players who run plexes in ships like 5x WCS punishers or unfit atrons with T1 guns are a bad thing and I'd like that changed or disincentived, but that's why I like the idea of accelerated progress for rolling back a timer for the opposite faction, or timer rollbacks. Again, I'm not opposed to real time intel if CCP can implement it in a UI friendly way like you mentioned, it's all about how much CCP is willing to invest in FW, I know Gorski Car campaigned hard for years but ultimately it was never on their roadmap, so having compromises that are easier to implement are also a good thing to have.




I think it depends on what the person wants to do. I think if you're a solo pilot or maybe have a small group of inexperienced friends, FW is where those players look. Not everyone is willing to leave their corporation, there are several guys in highsec involved with Industry, Mission or Incursion groups for example, that like to try PvP every now and then and FW is the best fit for them, since it's logistically easy in empire space, is nearby, requires no standings/diplomacy to other groups; FW relies on far fewer macro skills and outside influences that solo/small gang PvP in nullsec requires. Some people like to get away from the politics of nullsec and FW brings that to them. FW is seen a bit more as 'casual fun' requiring less effort.

Now if you want to just get content in gangs, sure Karmafleet/Pandemic Horde/Brave is probably better. It also provides you with far better finance opportunities than empire space.

I don't know where CCP should direct players. Ultimately either of those options is going to be a better fit depending on the players. I think removing the WCS farmers from FW so you're more likely to get an actual fight will be good, and better UI (Live intel like you mention, or some kind of system where it encourages players to go somewhere for content) will also be better for FW content.

I don't have a problem with Implants, Links and Drugs. I can't engage them with my 'clean' playstyle of not using them, so I just avoid them. When those same pilots ask me to 1v1 when they have a deadspace fitted ship with drugs and I don't, and they bring in their link RR legion dishonoring the 1v1, then yeah, I do like to make fun of them in local, but that is part of eve. [/quote]

Ah, you refer to our last dance together. If you recall, I said in local "want to go?". I never said "let's 1v1". Please keep the facts straight.

I suggest a temporary ban from the server for 2 hours for killing a neutral in high sec and after that double the ban up to 1 day of a ban. Or maybe kind of mute button when you can't say **** in local but this way you can't use your weapons. And I suggest griefing report system for ******* gate campers in high sec. Especially near trade hubs. I suggest CCP start doing something against ******* gate campers. I swear to god if Goon swarm or PL complains CCP will listen but if a regular shmuck like me complains CCP does not give a ****. Introduce a ******* griefing system for a ******* gate campers who are killing everyone who is neutral. And don't ******* tell me that this is eve you die in eve. ************, you were newb too and you can't ******* avoid certain systems because the route will become too long. I can't ******* fly jump freighter or freighter. But what I suggest is simply neutralize ******* from killing neutrals. Especially in high sec. Only in high sec/ near trade hubs. Don't care about low sec


Dear CCP do not disregard my suggestion. And if you can deliver my suggestion to CCP dev I will vote for you.