EVE General Discussion

From personal experience, then I can at least say, that a Citadel can deter 3 Drakes + Scimi on its own.

Turns out, Drakes are crap at doing anything else than farming WHs :D

Agreed. Good discussion people. Whatever CCP chooses to do is what will happen. My last words.....

If something doesn't change to keep new "paying" members none of this will matter anyway. Last May, I brought in 11 "paying" members and 9 are gone due to them saying the "game sucks but the graphics are great", "leans too much toward big corps" and "doesn't give a solo player a chance to survive on their own". New money is the only thing that will keep this game alive.

None of this is my opinion, it's new people trying out the game and choosing to purchase Gameplay. I will continue to try to attract new paying players. I believe EVE is worth it. Yes, I could buy Plex with ISK too, I choose to pay real money and will continue paying real money until they kick me out, LOL! CCP can't pay their salaries and bills with ISK so I will support them with all my family's accounts (in-laws included).

PH numbers are up +200 this week...
coincidence

citadels are working as intended and I AGREE.

you don't need a citadel if you are solo. why would anybody want such PITA in his life.

Weren't you the one talking realism earlier? Like that totally realistic one man corporation with a giant multi-kilometer production facility that can survive the onslaught of an army? Wait, that's not realistic at all....

But it has been said already, realism is not a factor in a game about spaceships with submarine physics and immortal pilots. You are talking balance now. But look at it this way: If a citadel on its own could take on a hundred guys if undefended, how many people would you need to bring to take it down if it was actually defended? What kind of balance would that be? You cannot make them stronger for small groups without making them stronger for large groups as well, so in the end, the game will still be in favor of the large groups.

Having strong fortifications in the strategic sense like we had in the middle ages where 20 dudes in a stronghold were able to defend against a thousand dudes outside could work, if we could actually siege them, as in blockade people from getting in and out until they starve to death. But we cannot do that, so a strong fortress like that would only break the game.

POSes are not able to do what you are asking either, by the way. Even an undefended deathstar could easily be taken down by a couple dozen guys by sniping the weapons first. It's merely annoying, time consuming and not very entertaining, but it's not difficult.

I think Citadels and Engineering Complexes are in a good place. If anything, I feel that the Astrohouses are a bit too cheap, and I also think that it's not optimal that the repair timer runs at normal speed in TiDi. I get why it does, though, and I currently see no solution to the problem.

On the point of why anyone should bother: At some point, POSes and Outposts will go away, so Citadels and ECs will be the only option. In Highsec, you can make do with NPC stations if you want, but in Sov Null there aren't any. People will need to have them, and that's why they bother - simple as that.

Citadels in Highsec on the other hand are a luxury. If you can't afford it - tough luck.

If you like to play solo, or in very small groups, that's fine and completely viable. But then owning a big corporate structure may not be for you. You can of course still use them, by either using the ones that are publicly accessible or making friends with larger groups that would allow you to use theirs. Or, if you have the funds you can just hire mercenaries to defend one you built yourself. Between the 24 hour war dec timer, reinforcement cycles and vulnerability windows, you have more than enough time and opportunity to organize that. If you are not even able or willing to do that, you really should not have one. You cannot just invest a couple billion in a giant "shoot me" sign and expect it to automagically defend itself against a proper assault.

I'd be paying money right now to play EVE if there was a feasible path for building stuff. Planetary stuff has the shadow of a promise, building an outpost was fun, but the emphasis seems to be on treadmill gameplay. Build stuff, get it blown up, rebuild it.

Which is a great stategy for repeat gameplay, but all I really want to do is build a little home in Eden, and make stuff there. Without it getting blown up while I'm sleeping by a bigger group of players. I don't find that appealing, I've played those games before and the excitement is minimal.

But that's the way CCP wants it, so there's nothing I can do. Apart from forum lurking and skill queuing.

You could just set the vulnerability windows so that you are not asleep when they open? It's not like anyone can go and attack your Citadel or EC whenever they want.

A Raitaru can be attacked for 9 hours a week, and you can set this window to whenever you want. An Astrahus can only be attacked for 3 hours. You get a 24 hour warning before a war starts. If you cannot dedicate 9 hours a week to safeguarding your passive money making machine, then find a couple of guys who can. That's a good idea anyway, because even if you are not asleep, you won't be able to defend it properly alone.

If however you are unwilling to defend your claim, how did you come to the conclusion that Eve is the right game for you? Keep in mind that the Eve economy is only as interesting as it is, because the ever running war machine devours lots and lots of material that needs to be replenished. There would be no point to building stuff, if you coud safely build stuff and never have to fight for your ability to do so.

Interesting data. The next question is of course how many of those large and medium POS's were offline, does you data include that very important fact? And by default how many of those large or medium POS's were actually setup to be a swine to kill.

I actually helped a friend in a Large dickstar defence in hisec a number of years back and it was hilarious, they, six players with about 10 toons bashed it for 6 hours and still failed, can't quite do that with hisec Citadels can I? Which is of course the point that the OP was making?

Back to CREST data again I see...

Well I can say the same about bumping, and AFK Cloaky camping can't I?

The simple fact of the matter is that I as a player can no longer setup a tough to take structure as I did before, the Citadel defences in hisec are just weak and they purely rely on the sheer number in space not to be attacked, that is not good game play either...

You can. And now?



Have did you see how much the CO2 Citadel killed? You certainly can set up a tough to take Structure, you just need to put in a bit of effort.

If you just poop out a 2.5B Astrohouse somewhere in Highsec, why would it be expected to be able to stand up to a whole fleet of people?



Yup. As I wrote earlier - taking down a large POS is not hard, just time consuming and annoying.