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So finally people will fight against Suicide Ganks and Harrasments

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Baexx
Doomheim
#41 - 2016-12-07 08:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Baexx
Azov Rassau wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Pfft, get in line, we are still waiting for XeX Znndstrup to do something worthwhile. (Been two years now) Twisted
Lol, I remember his thread. Shocked 30 pages of nothing.


Bronson Hughes wrote:
You can't realistically kill or jam gankers faster or more efficiently than CONCORD can, especially if the gankers in question aren't -5.0,
As a person who specializes in protecting miners, I can say that in many cases, with a well-executed intervention, you can jam gankers long before CONCORD's arrival and stop the gankers' DPS = prevent the gank. Hell, even a SKIFF can do it. Big smile (Some examples, for the curious, are here.) Maybe the OP can start by checking out the ECM mechanics against gankers. It's not the only method, of course, but it's fun. Just the other day I teamed up with another Anti-ganker and we ruined the gank of two Catalysts by jamming out their DPS. They had targeted a Scimitar which was a member of the other Anti-ganking fleet (composed of three ECM ships and that Scimi Shocked)

GFs echoed through local between AG and gankers and everybody had fun, gankers included. The gankers were told that they need a Ganking Permit and they even received my fantastic "Ruined Gank Report Form" with some fun elements in it. Big smile

Remember, "content is the king". Keep it Fun. Cool




We have some idea's when it comes to this, we might reach out to more of our friends IF thats needed aswell!
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#42 - 2016-12-07 08:24:53 UTC
Rippy Gurista wrote:

But our real goal with this is to show how important minerals and miners are in eve and hopfully we can show that with paying corps who support us to not mine for a month (and we will cover those miners isk that they would get). And then see what happens to the market.. Its going to be chaos, and ccp will have to make a change in highsec. ( atleast that part is out big dream), but we also think that nothing is impossible within eve online.

Just imagine a miner strike, now that would be something!

Hey, I think this is a brilliant idea and I am totally supporting it. Anyway, as a poor ganker I don't have ISK to spare, but I will help where I can and remove all the strikebreakers and their illegal mining equipment from the belts and make them aware why they died.

It is always good to have more allies fighting the good fight against criminals for a better highsec.

Evil RatKid
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#43 - 2016-12-07 10:22:57 UTC
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
I give this less than three months before it disappears with nary a whimper.

Also too bad I went alpha and stripped this toon of sp or I would make a corp and have fun hunting again.

I give it 2 weeks

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Baexx
Doomheim
#44 - 2016-12-07 10:42:16 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
I give this less than three months before it disappears with nary a whimper.

Also too bad I went alpha and stripped this toon of sp or I would make a corp and have fun hunting again.

I give it 2 weeks



I doubt that we will be gone in two weeks or even months. With all the positive response we have gotten ingame from players around New Eden, we are now even more dedicated to reach our goals.
Rippy Gurista
1 Percent Normal
#45 - 2016-12-07 11:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rippy Gurista
We just got the biggest donation by far by a singel player. Unfortunatley he wants to remain anonymous due to hes circle of friends, but we appreciate it just as much.

500 mil donation



The responses we got in just a few days is overwhelming and far beyond what we thought was possible this early.
Keep up and tell people about us, and we will make a change.
Liek DarZ
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#46 - 2016-12-07 11:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Liek DarZ
CODE. is welcoming all hisec content contributors, thus we were positively hopeful about HPA.

Yet, when trying to help the individual Baexx with improved fits (after all, CODE. may know a bit about tanking), the assistance was disregarded as "The current fits were good enough".

Sure, so the max-tanked Retriever fit I recommended (still not enough IMO - fly a Procurer/Skiff or GTFO) which was rejected had more tank than the currently HPA recommended Mackinaw.

Sounds like smart advisors, let us see how well they will protect Highsec - I mean, how well they will lead the resistance movement against the New Order!

Bring the fight, bring your miner strike (yeah, that is going to happen), provide content - just leave out the "begging CCP for just one more nerf".

Cheers, and praise James 315,

Liek Darz,
Knight of the New Order of Highsec.
Rippy Gurista
1 Percent Normal
#47 - 2016-12-07 11:51:45 UTC
Liek DarZ wrote:
CODE. is welcoming all hisec content contributors, thus we were positively hopeful about HPA.

Yet, when trying to help the individual Baexx with improved fits (after all, CODE. may know a bit about tanking), the assistance was disregarded as "The current fits were good enough".

Sure, so the max-tanked Retriever fit I recommended (still not enough IMO - fly a Procurer/Skiff or GTFO) which was rejected had more tank than the currently HPA recommended Mackinaw.

Sounds like smart advisors, let us see how well they will protect Highsec - I mean, how well they will lead the resistance movement against the New Order!

Bring the fight, bring your miner strike (yeah, that is going to happen), provide content - just leave out the "begging CCP for just one more nerf".

Cheers, and praise James 315,

Liek Darz,
Knight of the New Order of Highsec.





We are not trying to get a nerf within the game, we want a change! ( if that is better ships for some purposes, or better waysbto make mining more lucrative).
A NERF is definetly nothing we want, we like the game mechanics and dont want to change any of that.
( i might change something in the original post that has missled some people into thinking we want a nerf).
Liek DarZ
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#48 - 2016-12-07 11:57:21 UTC
Rippy Gurista wrote:
We are not trying to get a nerf within the game, we want a change! ( if that is better ships for some purposes, or better waysbto make mining more lucrative).
A NERF is definetly nothing we want, we like the game mechanics and dont want to change any of that.
( i might change something in the original post that has missled some people into thinking we want a nerf).

Great!
Now I recommend you drop any recommendation of "tanked" retrievers/covetors/Mackinaws, stick to Proc/Skiff only, recommend being non-AFK and checking local/DSCAN - and, voila, you will have almost achieved Code compliance (except for the permit).

We would call that progress!
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2016-12-07 12:03:16 UTC
Rippy Gurista wrote:
Liek DarZ wrote:
CODE. is welcoming all hisec content contributors, thus we were positively hopeful about HPA.

Yet, when trying to help the individual Baexx with improved fits (after all, CODE. may know a bit about tanking), the assistance was disregarded as "The current fits were good enough".

Sure, so the max-tanked Retriever fit I recommended (still not enough IMO - fly a Procurer/Skiff or GTFO) which was rejected had more tank than the currently HPA recommended Mackinaw.

Sounds like smart advisors, let us see how well they will protect Highsec - I mean, how well they will lead the resistance movement against the New Order!

Bring the fight, bring your miner strike (yeah, that is going to happen), provide content - just leave out the "begging CCP for just one more nerf".

Cheers, and praise James 315,

Liek Darz,
Knight of the New Order of Highsec.





We are not trying to get a nerf within the game, we want a change! ( if that is better ships for some purposes, or better waysbto make mining more lucrative).
A NERF is definetly nothing we want, we like the game mechanics and dont want to change any of that.
( i might change something in the original post that has missled some people into thinking we want a nerf).

So if you don't want suicide ganking nerfed, (your title is kinda misleading) what kind of change do you want, and how do you plan to get it? It seems your current plan is "pay people to not mine while trusting them to keep up their end of the bargain in a game full of scams, then hope that rorqual pilots don't ship in compressed ore from null and laugh all the way to the bank, and finally complain to CCP in hopes of some vague change."

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Rippy Gurista
1 Percent Normal
#50 - 2016-12-07 12:23:18 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Rippy Gurista wrote:
Liek DarZ wrote:
CODE. is welcoming all hisec content contributors, thus we were positively hopeful about HPA.

Yet, when trying to help the individual Baexx with improved fits (after all, CODE. may know a bit about tanking), the assistance was disregarded as "The current fits were good enough".

Sure, so the max-tanked Retriever fit I recommended (still not enough IMO - fly a Procurer/Skiff or GTFO) which was rejected had more tank than the currently HPA recommended Mackinaw.

Sounds like smart advisors, let us see how well they will protect Highsec - I mean, how well they will lead the resistance movement against the New Order!

Bring the fight, bring your miner strike (yeah, that is going to happen), provide content - just leave out the "begging CCP for just one more nerf".

Cheers, and praise James 315,

Liek Darz,
Knight of the New Order of Highsec.





We are not trying to get a nerf within the game, we want a change! ( if that is better ships for some purposes, or better waysbto make mining more lucrative).
A NERF is definetly nothing we want, we like the game mechanics and dont want to change any of that.
( i might change something in the original post that has missled some people into thinking we want a nerf).

So if you don't want suicide ganking nerfed, (your title is kinda misleading) what kind of change do you want, and how do you plan to get it? It seems your current plan is "pay people to not mine while trusting them to keep up their end of the bargain in a game full of scams, then hope that rorqual pilots don't ship in compressed ore from null and laugh all the way to the bank, and finally complain to CCP in hopes of some vague change."



True, we dont want to nerf suicide ganking mechanics, we want to make changes that will profit miners in general in highsec, and making them feel safre in highsec.
The title is not missleading since we will take actions against it.

About the trust part

Yes as in description we will use our own capital to make a market change when we know the people are on our side. The donations and the positive mails we get is showing us that this can happen.
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2016-12-07 12:38:52 UTC
Rippy Gurista wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Rippy Gurista wrote:
Liek DarZ wrote:
CODE. is welcoming all hisec content contributors, thus we were positively hopeful about HPA.

Yet, when trying to help the individual Baexx with improved fits (after all, CODE. may know a bit about tanking), the assistance was disregarded as "The current fits were good enough".

Sure, so the max-tanked Retriever fit I recommended (still not enough IMO - fly a Procurer/Skiff or GTFO) which was rejected had more tank than the currently HPA recommended Mackinaw.

Sounds like smart advisors, let us see how well they will protect Highsec - I mean, how well they will lead the resistance movement against the New Order!

Bring the fight, bring your miner strike (yeah, that is going to happen), provide content - just leave out the "begging CCP for just one more nerf".

Cheers, and praise James 315,

Liek Darz,
Knight of the New Order of Highsec.





We are not trying to get a nerf within the game, we want a change! ( if that is better ships for some purposes, or better waysbto make mining more lucrative).
A NERF is definetly nothing we want, we like the game mechanics and dont want to change any of that.
( i might change something in the original post that has missled some people into thinking we want a nerf).

So if you don't want suicide ganking nerfed, (your title is kinda misleading) what kind of change do you want, and how do you plan to get it? It seems your current plan is "pay people to not mine while trusting them to keep up their end of the bargain in a game full of scams, then hope that rorqual pilots don't ship in compressed ore from null and laugh all the way to the bank, and finally complain to CCP in hopes of some vague change."



True, we dont want to nerf suicide ganking mechanics, we want to make changes that will profit miners in general in highsec, and making them feel safre in highsec.
The title is not missleading since we will take actions against it.

About the trust part

Yes as in description we will use our own capital to make a market change when we know the people are on our side. The donations and the positive mails we get is showing us that this can happen.

And what changes will those be?

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#52 - 2016-12-07 12:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
Rippy Gurista wrote:
we want to make changes that will profit miners in general in highsec, and making them feel safre in highsec.


There's a very easy way to achieve this, and it's sitting right in this thread:

Liek DarZ wrote:
Now I recommend you drop any recommendation of "tanked" retrievers/covetors/Mackinaws, stick to Proc/Skiff only, recommend being non-AFK and checking local/DSCAN - and, voila, you will have almost achieved Code compliance (except for the permit).

We would call that progress!


Don't fly dangerously (i.e. not minding your surroundings while sitting still undocked in expensive, paper-thin ships), and you'll actually be safer, not just feel safer.

When the people who excel at killing miners tell you what makes it hard for them to kill miners, maybe you should listen.

For reference, once upon a time I used to mine. I always used Procurers (plus an Orca), I always kept them moving (moving targets are harder to gank), and I always kept a handful of logi/ECM ships in my Orca's hold to mess with folks trying to gank anyone else in the belt. Sure, I couldn't pull in as much ore as a max-yield Hulk fleet, but I never lost any ships either. You lose one Hulk and you've pretty much lose whatever gains in yield you had over a Procurer.

Like I hinted at earlier with my water/rock comment, the problem is miners, not gankers. If they actually listened to what the gankers told them and flew ships that are hard to gank, they would be safer.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#53 - 2016-12-07 13:11:11 UTC
Oh one of these corps, aint seen one of these in a while, are you accepting donations?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#54 - 2016-12-07 13:15:53 UTC
Rippy Gurista wrote:
Just imagine a miner strike, now that would be something!


wouldn't happen, a highsec miner could not go 1 hour without getting isk/hr withdrawal

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#55 - 2016-12-07 14:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobadder Thworst
This is the most inspirational, insightful, and game changing post that has hit C&P in a long time. How could I want anything but to help! This is a great idea!!!

I can't just participate. I must help lead this.

First, let me reach out to the C&P community and see if we can organize this strike.

To the leaders of the merc community: I want, need, and expect your commitment that your corporations will stop mining for a duration of 1 mont from today. With this commitment given, we will stop mining until the 7th of January.

I personally commit that I will not mine.

I'm looking at you, Marmites, Vendetta, Free Candy, Devils Warrior Alliance... all of you.

Let's answer this call to greatness with a loud and thunderous... answer. I can almost feel the impact of our actions already! There is, of course, the matter of the stipend which was promised. I should imagine it will fine to place the invoices for lost mining wages directly in this thread. Please post those so that our lower level accountants can address and cover your every cost. Do not sell yourselves short.

Additionally, we may need help keeping the strike orderly and preventing the odd "scab" from attempting to profit from this situation. There is an organization of which I am aware who has helped keep high-sec mining operations orderly in the past. I think they are called "CODE". While their typical activities don't outlaw mining outright, I think a cause such as this could only be more successful with their support.

CODE, we need your help. Do not let us down! The mining must stop!!!

Finally, in order to relieve you of the immense burden of handling all of this isk alone, I offer my somewhat reputable 3rd party isk holding services. I will be glad to start accepting donations on behalf of this movement immediately.

To generous benefactors and magnanimous philanthropists, simply flash your support to my wallet and I will do good on your behalf.

I feel rejuvenated just imagining all the good we can do. This is the future. We are the future. Let's do it for the children.
Rippy Gurista
1 Percent Normal
#56 - 2016-12-07 18:32:31 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Rippy Gurista wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
Rippy Gurista wrote:
Liek DarZ wrote:
CODE. is welcoming all hisec content contributors, thus we were positively hopeful about HPA.

Yet, when trying to help the individual Baexx with improved fits (after all, CODE. may know a bit about tanking), the assistance was disregarded as "The current fits were good enough".

Sure, so the max-tanked Retriever fit I recommended (still not enough IMO - fly a Procurer/Skiff or GTFO) which was rejected had more tank than the currently HPA recommended Mackinaw.

Sounds like smart advisors, let us see how well they will protect Highsec - I mean, how well they will lead the resistance movement against the New Order!

Bring the fight, bring your miner strike (yeah, that is going to happen), provide content - just leave out the "begging CCP for just one more nerf".

Cheers, and praise James 315,

Liek Darz,
Knight of the New Order of Highsec.





We are not trying to get a nerf within the game, we want a change! ( if that is better ships for some purposes, or better waysbto make mining more lucrative).
A NERF is definetly nothing we want, we like the game mechanics and dont want to change any of that.
( i might change something in the original post that has missled some people into thinking we want a nerf).

So if you don't want suicide ganking nerfed, (your title is kinda misleading) what kind of change do you want, and how do you plan to get it? It seems your current plan is "pay people to not mine while trusting them to keep up their end of the bargain in a game full of scams, then hope that rorqual pilots don't ship in compressed ore from null and laugh all the way to the bank, and finally complain to CCP in hopes of some vague change."



True, we dont want to nerf suicide ganking mechanics, we want to make changes that will profit miners in general in highsec, and making them feel safre in highsec.
The title is not missleading since we will take actions against it.

About the trust part

Yes as in description we will use our own capital to make a market change when we know the people are on our side. The donations and the positive mails we get is showing us that this can happen.

And what changes will those be?


Iv updated the main post with the ansver you seek.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#57 - 2016-12-07 18:43:20 UTC
So, wait, you want to protect miners by playing market games with the ore/mineral markets to drive up prices?

Okay. Not sure what to say about that other than I'm curious to see how this plays out.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#58 - 2016-12-07 18:44:45 UTC
I would like to donate a few dictionaries and a couple of style guides to the cause.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2016-12-07 19:38:12 UTC
Rippy Gurista wrote:

If this wont leave a mark in eve`s history, We will be surpriced.


If you can get even 50 miners to join your strike, we will be surprised(alts included).

If you can gather even 10 billion isk of what will probably be hundreds of billions or even maybe trillions of isk required to buy up all the minerals in Jita, we will be surprised.

If you stay here for more than a couple months without never replying to this post again, like the last AG "Heroes of Hisec" topic, we will be surprised.

If this wasnt a scam, we would be surprised.

If you had half a brain cell, we would be surprised.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#60 - 2016-12-07 19:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Oh dear, I had read this thread but had decided not to bother replying to it until someone linked the thread in the AG channel and the comments were "WTF is this", and "it appeared to be the 50th scam attempt along these lines" and "this is not what the HSM does anyway" which is a resistance movement with volunteers.

So from what I saw in the AG channel a large raspberry was blown.

Would not surprise me if this was Erotica1 getting bored again...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp