EVE General Discussion

I HAVE paid accounts. But now CCP is offering players that have NO FINANCIAL commitment to the game 5M sp toward a new character for zero dollars. This character has value. This character's value for zero dollars is far in excess of a single month of Omega costs in terms of sp generation. So now why, for zero dollars and no commitment toward the game WHATSOEVER, should a 5M sp character be available and convertible to an Omega character, when current Omega players do not have access to the SAME 5M sp character as an alt on the same PAID account?

You are arguing that paid accounts are worthwhile, I have not said otherwise. I am arguing that if you give 5M sp out for free to those with no financial commitment and no history of financial commitment to the game, why is CCP not offering this to those who wish to start alts on their paid accounts, when they have demonstrated financial commitment to the game?

It is CHEAPER BY FAR for existing Omega account owners to start an entirely new Alpha account, get that account maxed out for no cost, then pay to transfer it to the Omega account than it is to have an alt started on the Omega account from the very get go. MCT or using the Omega account to start a new alt is irrational in the current model. Period.

Wow moved pretty quick to name calling since your argument against fell flat. CCP offers something for free to non paid account holders, paid account holder wants the same or better. And I guess that you don't want the same thing or better from CCP because you have more money or time than most of us?

Really?

You already get the same or better (a LOT better, in fact). The mechanism is intended to entice new customers to pay. You're literally whining about the fact that a marketing ploy intended to bring in new paying customers doesn't afford you, an already-paying customer, any special treatment.

Nobody has a single care to spare for your desire to concurrently frontload 5 million SP onto omega-alts at no additional cost to yourself. Get over it and pony up the plex.

You are free to make a trial account and get as many Alphas up to 5 million skillpoints as you want. There are no restrictions placed upon you.


Again, time is an issue. You have to invest more time to get an alpha to 5 m than an omega. Twice the amount, infact. And yes, Time is just as important as money, and can translate to money as well.

People who do not want to wait, get MCT. They cannot stand around because they dont want to waste TIME.

Not true, paid account holders HAVE to pay for the first 5M sp on their accounts. Unpaid do not. This only encourages a proliferation of accounts for those with paid accounts.


Again, personally disparaging those on the community is so effective. Take much away from the US presidential election? Very effective upon those less educated...

I have suggested having this available via plex if you bothered to read, but guess you don't have the time. This is a matter of comparable offering of sp to those that actually PAY for their accounts vs gifts to those that do not.

Alpha is FREE for 5M sp. Omega is not.

The take away from this is that the community supports a proliferation of accounts vs offering the SAME THING to paid subscribers without the proliferation of accounts. This is the totally irrational part...

Incorrect.

Alpha is free to ~5 million SP, racially locked, slow training, limited skills and limited access to ships and modules.

Omega has none of those restrictions. The Omega account is in every way superior. We can train all of the skills that an alpha can train, but do so twice as fast; and have access to a lot more.

This discussion is getting pointless now, because you are looking at 2 different products and complaining that the one with the fewer capabilities is a better product. It isn't.

However, you are also free to make an alpha and train it if you think that is superior. No one is going to stop you.

Wow really wanting to show your colors very clearly I see... Calling me entitled, yet disparaging my solutions and offering no alternatives except the irrational current situation. And then continuing the name calling since your discussion was specious and your reading of my comments was superficial. Just wow.

Now lets get the ACTUAL quote from earlier in the convo that you so carefully chose to NOT read for content...



If you really wanted to capture the actual costs and have CCP make more money, then the cost offered by CCP to add a 5M sp alpha character to a paid account should be ~2 Plex. This would be a bonus in cash to CCP since it would actually be LESS to create and train a current Alpha account cause 1 Plex is all that is needed to transfer and 1 month of Omega time (cheaper than a Plex, particularly at the Alpha discount). This would actually probably prove to a be prime money maker to CCP for those looking to try something different on their existing accounts but not wanting to do MCT for the excessive cash output or stop training of their primaries for several months.


Incorrect. 5m sp is 5M sp, saying that core skills is not important for a huge number of characters is being needlessly argumentative.

I am not campaigning that it is superior, but that it is free and NOT AVAILABLE to those that pay WITHOUT adding accounts. Account proliferation is not something to be proud of, it is a needless byproduct of incomplete marketing and planning on CCP's part.

And by the way, please find a quote of me saying that Alpha is superior to Omega, I have NEVER said that. I said that Alpha is free for 5M sp and that Omega is NOT. These are FACTS.

Who said core skills are not important?

Yes, you are compliaining. Pointlessly, because:

1. No one is forcing any of us to pay until we max out an alpha; and

2. the number of skillpoints is not the only benefit of an omega.

You're complaining about one aspect and ignoring all the other aspects of being an omega as though they don't count. They do.

Nowhere did I claim you said alphas are superior to omegas. I said there is not a single aspect of an alpha that is superior to an omega and that if you think they are, then you are free to make one. Train it up and transfer it.

No account, alpha or omega gets a second character training queue for free. It doesn't exist in the game for anyone.

Sigh, another instance of the community that chooses to attack a member vs support the good of the game. While I was not that thrilled with Eve over the last couple of years, I now realize that the community base is as much of the problem as the direction of CCP. For as much as the community base and CCP claims to want to attract and retain new members, honestly to a multi-year player it just feels otherwise. Just unsubed 8 accounts totaling over 700M sp.

Thanks for making it clear that eve's community consists of those looking to tear down vs build up. I'll spend my money elsewhere, and probably a lot less of it.

Who's attacking you?

That we don't agree with your point isn't an attack on you. It's fine for people not to agree and that has nothing to do with supporting the good of the game. That's a non existent argument.

Tbh, that no one agrees with you is possibly as much to do with inability to argue a point effectively as it is the rest of the community don't agree. It's not our problem. We have no obligation to agree with what you write, just as you have no obligation to agree with what we write. Your disagreement isn't an attack on anyone either. It's the same thing both ways.

So if you want agreement with your argument, then your argument needs to be stronger.