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How about a Beta clone?

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Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#1 - 2016-11-18 19:07:51 UTC
Just throwing this out there :-P

Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...

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Memphis Baas
#2 - 2016-11-18 19:16:04 UTC
Sure.

They just released the whole Alpha/Omega thing, like, 3 days ago, so the options are limited for now.

But nothing's stopping them from adding Beta in the future.

Make an official suggestion in the Ideas and Suggestions forum. CCP keeps track of ideas there, and often implements them; if you just post in this General Discussion forum, your idea will get drowned by all the general chatter that happens here.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-11-18 19:36:57 UTC
Well, there's room for 22 more clone states between Alpha and Omega. Although, I think once we get a Sigma Clone State it may get a little confusing.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-11-18 19:40:10 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
CCP keeps track of ideas there, and often implements them

lol

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Titan's Lament
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#5 - 2016-11-18 19:41:06 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Just throwing this out there :-P

Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...



Why?
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-11-18 20:07:52 UTC
Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#7 - 2016-11-18 21:33:31 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone

What gameplay reason would there be to play one? Faster skill training?

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-11-18 21:52:39 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
What gameplay reason would there be to play one? Faster skill training?

That was the idea, yes. Live fast, die permanently.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-11-18 23:10:57 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Just throwing this out there :-P

Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...



What about Gamma clones? Pay 5 cents a month per skill you want to go beyond the Alpha clone restriction.

Or Epsilon clones. Pay 5 dollars a month and be able to choose between 30 skills beyond the alpha clone restriction that you would like to use.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#10 - 2016-11-18 23:13:08 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Just throwing this out there :-P

Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...



You are too early. Beta clones will come in the next big expansion in 2017. Gamma clones will follow in 2018 et cetera.
Memphis Baas
#11 - 2016-11-18 23:17:51 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
lol
Shhh.
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#12 - 2016-11-18 23:25:31 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone


Ooh, I remember this one!

I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#13 - 2016-11-18 23:37:53 UTC
Pretty much inevitable at this stage.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#14 - 2016-11-18 23:58:00 UTC
PopeUrban wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone


Ooh, I remember this one!

I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles.

I think that the players taking advantage of this would be people with super long subs who would simply never log in and just accrue crazy SP. Alternatively, it could just be used to farm skill injectors. Probably not a great idea. It might be interesting though to give the so-called beta clones all of the Omega traits but with the risk of perma-death for 1/2 the price of a regular sub. That would make for an interesting risk vs reward dynamic.

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PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#15 - 2016-11-19 00:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: PopeUrban
Gogela wrote:
PopeUrban wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state?
That's gotta be a gamma clone


Ooh, I remember this one!

I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles.

I think that the players taking advantage of this would be people with super long subs who would simply never log in and just accrue crazy SP. Alternatively, it could just be used to farm skill injectors. Probably not a great idea. It might be interesting though to give the so-called beta clones all of the Omega traits but with the risk of perma-death for 1/2 the price of a regular sub. That would make for an interesting risk vs reward dynamic.


pretty easy to just make such a clone unable to use extractors "due to experimental and unstable implant technology" since tracking clone states to determine use of items is part of the game now.

Plot twist: Let them avoid the diminishing returns from injectors as well.

And even if some longtime sub station sits to farm SP for a perfect super pilot on one of these I don't see the problem. He's still paying a substantial risk of permadeath for getting that super pilot up and running faster, but even at double training speed that's still a LONG time training that can be wiped out in a single podkill. As long as people can't use them to make invincible alts (e.g. trade alts, industry alts) and the skills like is limited to "stuff that is useful for flying spaceships" I don't see a problem with it.

Heck, kick it up a notch and make bounties on such clones pay out the full amount, since collecting the bounty is a permanent death, and publicly display the clone state of such clones to encourage more ganking. You could even make such cloning technology illegal so they get chased down by faction navies wherever they go in empire. I'd roll one. Sounds exciting.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-11-19 03:32:24 UTC
it could easily be fixed

allow alpha clones upto t2 medium guns and tank mods

OR

allow alpha clones cross train at current skill restriction levels but for all races

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Fatima Foont
#17 - 2016-11-19 05:15:31 UTC
How about finding a way to make 15 bucks a month?
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#18 - 2016-11-19 05:23:27 UTC
Fatima Foont wrote:
How about finding a way to make 15 bucks a month?


NEVER! What?

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Mightylink
Doomheim
#19 - 2016-11-19 09:17:45 UTC
I like the idea of a "Veteran" clone, for people who already subscribed more then a year, they should get more benifits for their alpha clones then new alpha clones get, maby they played a lot when their teenagers but don't have time to subscribe anymore, it would be nice if they could still do a lot of passive stuff like all manufacturing and trading skills to level 5.
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#20 - 2016-11-19 11:58:57 UTC
Actually didn't SPECIFICALLY have this in mind as a "vetarans" clone but I guess that is how it could be used.

My initial thoughts where just you are allowed a bit more of everything compared to the alpha clone...but don't pay full subscription....genius huh? P

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