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How about a Beta clone?

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Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#41 - 2016-12-13 13:23:46 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
when did a sub become something you can Haggle for?

pay the 15 euros or be happy with your alpha.


Right about now I guess....3 months for the cost of 2... (current discount).

It is good CCP....but I want my beta clone :-P

Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and trading.

Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#42 - 2017-01-04 03:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Orly
We need this mode ASAP! Nobody really cares about this game (sorry for EVE is dying but it is the truth). AttentionIdeaArrow

More accounts does not equal more players CCP....

Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and trading.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#43 - 2017-01-04 09:55:41 UTC
More players does not equal to a better game, as your account demonstrates.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#44 - 2017-01-04 10:09:51 UTC
Well as it is now you dont really have a game and no-one really cares about it anyway. I know...I tried to find players who would like to try EVE F2P mode....zero interest. Any players are better then 0 players and I am really not that bad...I recent that...

So...the only solution would be to flirt with the semi-hardcore/semi-returning players like me who are after the PvE and co-op part of EVE more.

Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and trading.

Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2017-01-04 10:18:21 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Well as it is now you dont really have a game and no-one really cares about it anyway. I know...I tried to find players who would like to try EVE F2P mode....zero interest. Any players are better then 0 players and I am really not that bad...I recent that...

So...the only solution would be to flirt with the semi-hardcore/semi-returning players like me who are after the PvE and co-op part of EVE more.

So you can tell me how a game like Eve should make money with people that you have to carry to Eve and that are not willing to pay?
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#46 - 2017-01-04 10:23:21 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:

So you can tell me how a game like Eve should make money with people that you have to carry to Eve and that are not willing to pay?

Au countreur!

They ARE willing to pay or at least I am...but only about 1/3 of current monthly price.

And for me its not mainly about for EVE to "make money"...but to exist in any way,shape or form...

Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and trading.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#47 - 2017-01-04 10:25:21 UTC
The launcher shows 23k characters online, that's more than enough people to interact with, and a lot more than 0.

You may want to revisit your choice then. EVE is not meant for all these casual facebook game morons out there. The only thing they will do to EVE is to contribute to the corrosion of EVE into something that is not EVE.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#48 - 2017-01-04 10:31:26 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
The launcher shows 23k characters online......


You didnt really read what I wrote.

Amount of characters is NOT equal to amount of players. Definately not in EVE at least. Most are multiboxing and then some of thoose that are left are semi-afk...making the game completely dead almost.

If you ever tried to recruit for a corporation the last couple of years you would also know something about the amount of "new blood" (that doesn't exist).

Any character that posts that he is looking for a corp is immedietly spammed by 10-30 suggestions for a corp to join....50% of theese also seem to be awoxers...further telling information about the state of the game...

Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and trading.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#49 - 2017-01-04 10:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Magnus Orly wrote:
Amount of characters is NOT equal to amount of players. Definately not in EVE at least. Most are multiboxing and then some of thoose that are left are semi-afk...making the game completely dead almost.

It is to a very large degree. According to official CCP numbers, there are not nearly as many multiboxers as you think there are.

That aside, I agree that things like the recruitment mechanics, among many things, need change. However, the point of EVE is to ruin someone elses day and having fun at it.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#50 - 2017-01-04 15:28:39 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
The launcher shows 23k characters online......


You didnt really read what I wrote.

Amount of characters is NOT equal to amount of players. Definately not in EVE at least. Most are multiboxing and then some of thoose that are left are semi-afk...making the game completely dead almost.

If you ever tried to recruit for a corporation the last couple of years you would also know something about the amount of "new blood" (that doesn't exist).

Any character that posts that he is looking for a corp is immedietly spammed by 10-30 suggestions for a corp to join....50% of theese also seem to be awoxers...further telling information about the state of the game...



I'll bottom line this for you. Eve will truly die when no one pays for it. The current subscription is 15USD (or there abouts). Instead of finding ways to get more folks on the server for less (think of it as putting Eve closer to death) try to spend your time and effort figuring out how to make the game better so that more folks want to play it (and actually pay to keep it online). That's the real solution.

Alpha clones - introductory clone, but so limited you'll either join the paying crowd or move on to other entertainment.
Omega clones - the actually backbone of eve (this is where folks pay to keep the lights on)

Veterans clones - I get to pay for free because I paid a sub sometime in the past.... FU - the sub is to play the game, it isn't to acquire skills and then phone it in at some point down the road.


The other bottom line. When you look at value for the dollar (or whatever your hard earned currency is called) - Eve is a pretty good deal. 15 USD gets you and entire month of epic space hero shenanigans. I can't even think of anything that I can do for a whole month for 15 USD as far as entertainment. Even a trip to the movies costs more and only lasts 2 hours. A full day of paintball is over 100 USD. If you really can't see the value in 15 USD per month - don't play, you'll just be a crankybitch the whole time you're playing and I don't want to deal with you (in game, on comms or in the forums).

That brings up another point - a question actually. Can alpha clones post on the forums? I hope not in all sections. Especially in this section. Features and ideas should be for paying customers ONLY. If an alpha has a great idea, put it in 'New Citizens Q & A'. If that idea is good enough one of the underpaid / overworked ISD humps can move it here. It seems reasonable that if you want your ideas to change the game to be heard - you should be paying to keep the game going. CCP can't regulate reddit, but it sure can keep non paying accounts from spamming up this section with better ideas on how to improve game play for non paying accounts.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#51 - 2017-01-04 22:09:42 UTC
Josh Shadowblade wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
when did a sub become something you can Haggle for?

pay the 15 euros or be happy with your alpha.



Or i do it my way and make a clever suggestion while trying to ingore stupid comments.
CCP made this discussion possible with their invention of the alpha-clone, so why not expanding the idea? CCP would benefit from it as well as the eve-community. Nothing bad about it. ;)


wasn't a clever suggestion at all and i guess you're failing to ignore what you see as stupid comments.
CCP gave the alpha clone state as a stepping stone to a full sub, it's working as intended so no need for silly inbetween clone states as an upgrading alpha already benifits CCP.

nope, nothing bad about the eve community expanding at all, i don't see where you got the idea anyone in the community would believe for a second that new players would ever be a bad thing.

next there will be a call for a clone state beyond omega Roll

train twice as fast as an omega Blink with the ability to train all 3 toons on your account Blink only 40 euros a month.

oh wait,,,,,, what have i done,,,,,,,,,,,, RollRollRollRollRoll

Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#52 - 2017-03-03 06:13:56 UTC
Bumpy Johnson! AttentionIdeaPirateBear

Our corporation is recruiting! We live in Caldari high-sec and do mining, missions and trading.

Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
#53 - 2017-03-03 07:45:46 UTC
What other perks and restrictions come with use of the beta capsule?

'One night hauler' The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4

Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2017-03-03 08:33:41 UTC
Magnus Orly wrote:
Just throwing this out there :-P

Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...



No.

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Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2017-03-03 08:37:34 UTC
Scuzzy Logic wrote:
IMHO a formerly Omega clone that expires should be a Beta Clone and not an alpha one.

Same as alpha, but with the following: Cross-race skills ramain active. (To the extent of alpha clones)

This is the only way it could work. Beta shouldn't be an upgrade but a downgrade. Also, if you try omega once, you can probably keep it if you are good at making money.
I heard that returning players, who had to stop because of money, but now as F2P possible would like to continue, often find themselves locked away from all of their stuff. Not just because the size limits, but also because they liked an other faction more than their own. Faction didn't matter before, this is an actually huge change the alpha clones introduced.
Naturally pirate faction ships should be restricted to omega clones only, but it's quite easy to implement: any ship that requires more than one faction skill is limited to omega.

If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!

But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.

Wolfgang Jannesen
Line Ark Security Service Incorperated
#56 - 2017-03-03 13:41:32 UTC
Beta clones are totally unnecessary, what are you saving by adding a third clone state? Because it seems like you're complicating omega status for no reason
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2017-03-03 19:00:19 UTC
Btw what would the these clones cost monthly? 100m?
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#58 - 2017-03-04 14:37:07 UTC
Huh, it'd be an interesting idea - perhaps a clone that can train all skills at double speed, like an Omega, but that clone loses some of its non-Alpha skills when it dies. Perhaps devalue PLEXes and just require 2 to go full Omega? I.E. Alpha buys cheaper PLEX. They use the PLEX, and get the new state. If they used another, they'd get to choose: Be Omega for the remainder of the duration of the first PLEX, or extend your duration as the new clone state. Then if they used another after taking the earlier choice, they'd just extend their Omega by a month. (Doesn't work on subbed characters, just characters PLEX'd. That way ppl couldn't exploit and get easy Omega for ~.6x price.)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6875494#post6875494 - Ship mounted explosives. Because explosions and Jita chaos.

Van Doe
#59 - 2017-03-05 13:42:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Doe
Magnus Orly wrote:
Just throwing this out there :-P

Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...


This post convinced me the alpha omega crap needs to go. And it needs to go fast.

#makeevepaytoplayagain.

Alpha's I fuging hate you.
You have no right to to make any suggestions.

I would even recommend alphas should not be able to post in this forum.
No tech support from ccp no support at all not even from gms if they lose all there **** on a bug.

I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy. afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.

Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#60 - 2017-03-06 02:57:19 UTC
Van Doe wrote:
Magnus Orly wrote:
Just throwing this out there :-P

Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...


This post convinced me the alpha omega crap needs to go. And it needs to go fast.

#makeevepaytoplayagain.

Alpha's I fuging hate you.
You have no right to to make any suggestions.

I would even recommend alphas should not be able to post in this forum.
No tech support from ccp no support at all not even from gms if they lose all there **** on a bug.

Against popular belief, some Alpha's have brains.

That said, some Omega's do not.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6875494#post6875494 - Ship mounted explosives. Because explosions and Jita chaos.